Pusha drops in at Sway In The Morning to talk about the Rick Ross drive-by shooting incident, the illuminati, and more.

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  • Good Peoples!

    I remember when members of the Mafia use to say "There is no Mafia" and we all seen how that turn out

    Just Saying.....

  • ree

    Good Peoples! but the concept of a mafia had no historical inconsistencies and supernatural implications

  • Good Peoples!

    @ree basically what i'm saying is "The devils greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist"

  • Stupids

    If there was an illuminati. Do you guys really think they would allow ghetto hobbits that can't keep their mouths shut in?? I'm just keeping it real. There is no way in hell a "secret society" would allow rappers, that do nothing but brag, enter it. Common sense people.

  • D’troit

    @Good Peoples!....but the devil doesn't exist....nor does Jesus....

  • Good Peoples!

    @D'troit Am i suppose to take that to heart??? LOL

    Like i said “The devils greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn’t exist”

  • COOL LARRY

    @Stupids you shouldn't call yoself stupid! but of course ppl know these wack ass rappers aren't in it! but they are definitely puppets!

  • Stupids

    @ Good people's.

    That logic fails because the only minority are atheist. When it comes to belief. There are many religions, good vs evil. So more people believe in it. When did the devil convince the world he didn't exist?

  • Good Peoples!

    @Stupids Sorry but i'm not finna get in a religious argument on the internet especially on 2dope! I spoke my peace

    But to answer yo question since the beginning

  • fsss

    @Good Peoples! youre a clown psuedo intellectual using cliche quotes you heard in movies but are completely incapable of engaging in a logical debate and formulating your own arguments . such a clown

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hJ--wCdFhc AIN’T NOBODY GOT TIME 4 DAT

    @Good people’s lmao! Yea you should have known, it's a lot of atheist pieces of shit on this website lol

    • Stupids

      Lol. Atheists pieces of shit? Let me guess you're Christian Right??

  • Good Peoples!

    @fsss What can i do besides laugh at you! LMFAO

  • http://aimajor.net/ AiMajor

    Ima be honest I don't think the "illuminati" exist as it is presented. But it is a secret society of that nature, if you never heard of "The Secret Meeting That Changed HipHop" back in 92-93 when record execs, bought prison as an investment. You can see how drastically rap music has changed since then, it's been about killin,drugs,material and money, but what the rappers rap about is influnecing the kids to go out and do that, shit that will put them in jail, now saying that that makes money for the record execs who get paid for selling the music and also getting paid by young black males going to jails filling up prisons. 2pac and "killuminati" jay-z "illuminati wants my mind, soul and my body" they weren't just saying that bcuz it sounded cool, look at PAC dead, bcuz he was against it, an now look at Jigga Man, one of the richest man in hip-hop. Like the man who said "the mafia said there was no mafia, but look how that turned out" is a great example, if you're not apart of it they don't want you to know about it, and for that guy who says atheist are the minority, not to contradict you, but doesn't an Athiest believes there's no GOD? Which means they believe in something right? If you believe in nothing, then you believe in something. I'm against religion myself, but there is a GOD or a higher being somewhere who help develop this earth and these beings. But just bcuz it may not be called "illuminati" it's Is something called "industry" and everybody in the industry or who turns from underground to mainstream is a sell out. End of story. @ me on twitter if you have any remarks to my statement @ImAiMajor

  • AIN’T NOBODY GOT TIME 4 DAT

    @Stupids You must be offended right LOL!

    • Stupids

      Definitely not lol. Just like fucking with people. It's all for shits and giggles for me.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hJ--wCdFhc AIN’T NOBODY GOT TIME 4 DAT

    Cool i thought you was one of those whiny bitches for a second LOL!

  • j

    the flying spaghetti monsters biggest trick was making people think he didnt exist herrp derpp oh yeah Illuminati dont want people to know bout dem and they r so secret yet their video subliminals are so obvious...hey guysssssssss

    and nothing is not something u idiot nothing is precisely that 'nothing'

  • randy

    man i swear every person on this needs to learn how to paragraphs their rants. in gonna read that shit cause it literally hurts the eyes. that's why the concept of paragraphing exists.

  • marty mcfly

    Im so tired of this Illuminati bullshit. Yes there is an Illuminati but guess what? They dont give a shit about hip hop so separate the music business from secret cult religion activity. If you told someone in the Illuminati about Pusha T or Kanye or GOOD music or whatever, they would probably say who the fuck are those guys and thats cause they wouldn't know what the fuck your talking about. You think the Illuminati is sitting around listening to rappers and goin to the studio to make rap songs with famous MCs? GTFOH, The Illuminati is alot more concerned with their own people and their own business. Instead of just reading some shit on line, why dont you just go find someone in the Illuminati and find out for yourself whether or not they give a shit about rap music. They dont give a fuck about rappers or the hip hop culture and they never cared about it or wanted to be involved in it.

  • Cali Grown

    In my opinion, the fact that people use the word "Illuminati" to describe some sort of shadow government that perhaps worships the devil and strives for the enslavement of humanity through world government is in itself defeating. I'm not sure most are even aware of any objectivity regarding the historic context of the creation of the Order of the Illuminati formerly known as the Perfectibilist in the 1700s. I believe author Robert Anton Wilson said it best in his book Cosmic Trigger: Final Secret of the Illuminati:

    "Briefly, the background of the Bavarian Illuminati puzzle is this. On May 1, 1776, in Bavaria, Dr. Adam Weishaupt, a professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University and a former Jesuit, formed a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati within the existing Masonic lodges of Germany. Since Masonry is itself a secret society, the Illuminati was a secret society within a secret society, a mystery inside a mystery, so to say. In 1785 the Illuminati were suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all the kings in Europe and the Pope to boot. This much is generally agreed upon by all historians. Everything else is a matter of heated, and sometimes fetid, controversy.

    It has been claimed that Dr. Weishaupt was an atheist, a Cabalistic magician, a rationalist, a mystic; a democrat, a socialist, an anarchist, a fascist; a Machiavellian amoralist, an alchemist, a totalitarian and an "enthusiastic philanthropist." (The last was the verdict of Thomas Jefferson, by the way.) The Illuminati have also been credited with managing the French and American revolutions behind the scenes, taking over the world, being the brains behind Communism, continuing underground up to the 1970s, secretly worshipping the Devil, and mopery with intent to gawk. Some claim that Weishaupt didn't even invent the Illuminati, but only revived it. The Order of Illuminati has been traced back to the Knights Templar, to the Greek and Gnostic initiatory cults, to Egypt, even to Atlantis. The one safe generalization one can make is that Weishaupt's intent to maintain secrecy has worked; no two students of Illuminology have ever agreed totally about what the "inner secret" or purpose of the Order actually was (or is . . .). There is endless room for spooky speculation, and for pedantic paranoia, once one really gets into the literature of the subject; and there has been a wave of sensational "ex-poses" of the Illuminati every generation since 1776. If you were to believe all this sensational literature, the damned Bavarian conspirators were responsible for everything wrong with the world, including the energy crises and the fact that you can't even get a plumber on weekends." (pp. 3-4)

    If there is some sort of secret society pulling strings from behind the scenes I believe they're not so interwoven as many believe them to be, rather I think "they" just so happen to have aligning interests meaning times have changed but human nature hasn't: greed, control, exploitation, profit before progress etc.

    Instead of Illuminati I prefer to say: oligarchy, plutocracy, corporatists, big business (big pharmaceuticals, agriculture etc), eugenicists, military industrial complex, globalists, so on and so forth.

    In terms of the German Illuminists, I'd suggest getting familiar with the Enlightenment since they were very products of this "revolution of the human mind."

    I might've rushed this comment but I've homework to do so peace to all.

    "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."
    -Socrates

  • The Truth

    @cali grown - they do go way back in time because they are actually zionist jews that believe Israel should one day be the state capital of the world. The zionist jews have infiltrated all aspects of our government and it is debated if they even believe in Judaisim or if they rather are some type of cult following the Kabbala. If you dont believe me you can youtube videos about zionism. There is a reason the US always backs Isreal and wants to destroy Iran and Palestine. They have influenced the French and American Revolutions, the first world war and the second world war especially (look up the six million myth). It turns out Hitler actually knew about these satanic Jews corrupting the economy, owning all the banks and money supply etc. He got them out and tried to kill em off, you can listen to any of his translated speeches he clearly talks about satanic jews. The only thing is he probably confused all jews to be satanic jews, instead of just the zionist jews. Anyways just some food for thought, and I advise you to do your own research instead of listening to me.

  • wakeup

    Of course they "give a shit about rap music"....music is the most influenciall thing period. If you're trying to push an agenda what way to do it then to put it in music. the "elite" control not only the music industry(not only rap) but everything from media, banks etc...the new world order is the goal....aka, population control (promoting violence in music to keep blacks in jails), promoting homo sexuality and feminizing men, what else do you think kanye west, lil wayne and asap rockys roles are? lol its damn near obvious. Also taking away peoples rites to defend themselves so that they can create a dictatorship type government, aka setting up fake shootings so they can take away our rite to own guns(i believe Obama just signed that). The definitely exist, but the "illuminati" people are reffereing to are really just the elites, the real illuminati died out centuries ago

  • marty mcfly

    ^^^ Thats if you assume a group can work together in a strong enough fashion to even be able to control the world. Trust me nobody gives a shit about some rap music when it comes to money. Your talking about elite people that deal with hundreds of trillions of dollars and you mean to tell me their gonna stop to be concerned with a little rap money? Not likely and you assume that a elite group wants to control people when the reality is they dont have to control people and they really dont give a shit about people at all and thats cause it doesn't effect their paper at all. One thing people never consider is FREE WILL and that mean nobody can force you to do shit or control. There are people and factions in the "elite" that do not work together and have no involvement in other elite groups at all. People talk about the governments gonna take your gun. Well use some sense cause if you go look at where ever you keep your firearm guess what? Its still gonna be there today and the next day and the government would never waste their time coming to your house demanding your weapon. That would be a complete waste of time and money and guess what? Just cause you have a weapon you still aint protected cause so does everybody else and you certainly are no match for the US military.

  • marty mcfly

    They dont have to push an agenda or mind control the people because there's nothing you can do anyway thats gonna stop the world from turning the way it has always turned. If you dont have at least a few billion dollars or run a huge banking system then you cant effect how the elite do business at all. 2ndly Just the fact that Obama is the president should tell you that anybody can do whatever they want to do cause obviously the elites hate Obama and fight him over everything. Obama is the president not a dictator. Unless he completely destroys the other branches of government for complete control then he is not a dictator. He his just the head of the spear of a larger government.

  • wakeup

    "Your talking about elite people that deal with hundreds of trillions of dollars and you mean to tell me their gonna stop to be concerned with a little rap money?"..they dont need to stop and be concerned with anything, its a large group made of people who deal with money,media,science(they created aids and control natural disaters with haarp machines,look it up)..." it doesn’t effect their paper at all", its not all about the paper its about the agenda...."the government would never waste their time coming to your house demanding your weapon", almost good point, accept making it illegal to own one gives them the rite to take you to jail, meaning you cant LEGALLY protect yourself

  • wakeup

    "there’s nothing you can do anyway thats gonna stop the world from turning the way it"...you couldnt be more wrong...the the media uses imagery in the media that effects the "sub conciounse" part of your brain, meaning a human can literally be controlled to do something or think a certain way directly because a message that you didnt even notice, thats why if you look on youtube theres all these "demonic" messages and images in rap videos..alot of it is false but alot of it is real..why do you think the new generation of kids are the way they are? every generation GOT WORSE lol men are becoming more feminine by the day, females are as slutty as ever, guess why? lil wayne is the black mans leader and rihanna/nicki minaj is the black womens leader

  • wakeup

    and Barack Obama is a puppet of the elites. He's how they got black people to vote for a president that is basically bush part 2.

  • marty mcfly

    YOU think lil Wayne is "the black mans leader" but the reality is most black men would say you sound crazy if you ever told them that. 2nd you just repeating what you heard other people say about Obama without doing the knowledge first. After finding out how the world and the government works, then go find out why? and you'll see Obama is not the problem with the world. Anything you could blame on Obama was already in play before Obama was even born. There's a thing called human nature and greed and power plays a role in that and that plays a role in all levels of society. The world is not control by what peoples favorite rapper is, its controlled by money and power and rap music will never be more important to elite groups then money and power.

  • wakeup

    what do you think lil wayne was talking about when he said "I know what they dont wanna tell you...just hope your heavent sent, and your HELL PROOF" lol...wayne didnt explode until he started wearing tight jeans an funny clothes, 2chainz suddenly exploded after 15 years and now he wears leather pants and fuury body suits in his videos...asap rocky and his crew came out in demonic clothing in the peso video and the song was on the radio within 2 weeks of its release..coincidence?....asap rockys father died prior to his album coming out "illuminati sacrifice"...nicki minaj"s cousin died before her album came out..another sacrifice....music is demonic and rappers are selling there souls for money and fame

  • wakeup

    Excuse my bad choice of words, lil wayne is the YOUNG black mans leader.....thats how you change the world....effect the YOUNG PEOPLE...thats why kids are wearing tight jeans, and poppin mollys because its being promoted by the industry..an no you ASSUMING i think that about Obama because of wht i seen, ive read reveral books about the new world order and wrote reports about it in school, im actually well educated...also they promote fucking with white girls and light skin girls, thats why you hear all of this "red bone, yellow bone shit"...there trying to wipe out black people

  • marty mcfly

    Yeah well elite groups that control countries and governments with banking establishments with access to trillions of dollars really dont give a shit about rappers wearing tight clothes or what Asap Rocky or Nicki Minaj is doing. You talking about ways of government that have been around for hundreds of years already. Hip Hip culture aint even 50 years old yet.

  • wakeup

    micheal jackson started talking the illuminati, you know what they do when that happens? ruin your image and KILL you. The made him out to be a child molester, and killed him

  • marty mcfly

    Lil Wayne is not even close to the "YOUNG black mans leader" cause again that statement would make no sense to any young black men either. There are more young black men that hardly ever listen to anything from lil Wayne then there are black men who follow his music. And probably less the 2% of black men and just people in general would ever say Wayne is their leader because that kinda thinking makes no sense at all. I see your just saying anything but really stop the stereotyping about what black people do and think.

  • wakeup

    hip hop hasnt been around for long but MUSIC has been there for ever....you knw what the "rock on" sign rock stars use really is? DEVILE HORNS..."blues" promoted drug use, r&b promoted adultary....hip was the last thing to be controlled by the elites...thats why in the 90"s rap started to be all about violence and drugs, a plan to keep black people in jail because they had to guidence because there parents were on the crack the government put in the hoods, and there role models were RAPPERS

  • marty mcfly

    Correction actually its more like zero percent that would say Lil Wayne is the "young black mans leader" cause the only people that would cosign that would be people with mental health issues. Again as long as you have FREE WILL, there is no illuminati with enough power to control you. For example tomorrow go do whatever the fuck you want with your day and I bet nobody will stop you or even give a fuck. Thee end

  • wakeup

    im around young black men all the time, they wear tight jeans, play his music all day and everything they say is like there quoting him. There BRAINWASHED. nad dont take this like im saying lil wayne is the only one, hes just one guy..RICK ROSS promotes being a king pin, Drake promotes recklace living, thats what the "yolo" thing is about....wayne, snoop dogg, game, birdman promote gang culture when half of them never gang banged in there life...wayne was wearing blue flags on the left side before he blew up lol but as far as kids in the ghetto, rappers are there leaders and they follow them

  • wakeup

    of course you can do what ever you want with your day tomorrow, you saying that is irrelevant. What im saying is they can flash images in your face that change the way you think and influence future actions..thats why so many mre gay kids are popping up all of a sudden and there confused as fuck... the industry disrespects religion, jay z calls him self "hov" (jehova).....kanye west basically called him self the new god with his new god flow verse, asap rocky calls himself lord flacko lol there making people worship them.....which is anti chistian

  • marty mcfly

    The world is so much bigger then the few niggas your around in your little neck of the woods and the "elite groups" that your talking about have made 100x more money then the whole music industry combined and they've been around for centuries before rap music, the prison industrial complex and the crack epidemic.

  • wakeup

    your free will point is pointless, they cant control what you do but they can control how you thin, which can effect how you live...why do you think black men hate black men so much? its being promoted, why do you think black men hate black women so much? its being promoted....if you go on facebook an look at what teenagers post, everything is "these bicthes this, these niggas that".....music has promoted black people to HATE THEMSELVES..so that they destroy themselves...chanting "fuck them other niggas cuz im down for my niggas" promotes self hatred, black female celebrities bleaching and looking like white girls promotes self hatred...self esteem is at a all time low in black communities

  • wakeup

    exactly this "agenda" has been being pushed for 100"s of years...people are jus now waking up, its been going on for so long that they can give you clues that they exist now because its nothing you can do, the new world order is on full effect...and stop bringing up money, thats not what this is about...infact im glad you brought it up because they also promote worshipping money as god...thats why you hear "money over everything" because once money is the only thing that matters your soul is gone....you have no dignity to morals, you just live to worship money which represents the devil

  • marty mcfly

    Your generalizing black men because you yourself have a hated towards black men but there are millions and millions and millions of black men and black people from several different communities and backgrounds in america and around the globe. Your little opinion about what black men think is just that, a little opinion.

  • http://triangularmindrape.tumblr.com/ Fuckyoupayme

    It's amazin how you niggas can rattle off this bullshit about the Illuminati but if I was to ask you niggas what pussy felt like ya'll would start sweatin' bullets.

    Why would so many niggas rap about a secret society. How's it a secret if everybody knows about it. What would be their incentive for puttin "clues" for [loser] people to pick up on?

    That's like me killin somebody and goin into work with they blood on my shirt - on purpose. Why would I incriminate myself like that.

    Grow up niggas. These rappers just playin' into you niggas hands.

    Occult shit looks dope and elicit fear into go-to-church-on-Easter-Sunday ass niggas. That translates into publicity. Led Zeppelin did it; Black Sabbath did it; Rolling Stones did it.

    It works. Now shut up and get ya'll dick wet.

  • wakeup

    thats why you hear one of the newest puppets trinidad james saying "in god i trust, so i kept countin them franklins" and another one in meek mill making a song called "in god we trust"

  • marty mcfly

    The saying "new world order" stems from groups that arent even secret at all. So they dont have to leave clues to be found. They were never in hiding EVER, they have always been out in the open and the have buildings and churches all over the US in every major city and all their information is listed and is public information. So there's not much thats secret about them. Every generation ever have thought that they were awakened to some sort of hidden truth or secret knowledge so if people in this time think the same now then thats not really nothing new.

  • wakeup

    @ marty, im too much of an intelligent black man to hate my own people, and this comment section is for just that "my little opinion" so I don't know why you would say such a thing...but alot of the things im saying can be backed up by facts

    @fuckyoupayme, horrible example because its illigal to kill someone, its not illegal to do what the "elites" are doing in facts THEY ARE the system lol who they gone be in trouble with themselves? They are the prisons, they are the courts they are the government, they give you clues to give you low slef esteem because you can't do anything about it but jus feel like your life is a lie

  • Pauly D

    "How’s it a secret if everybody knows about it."

    Because not everyone is informed about it, dipshit.

  • Pauly D

    So many sheep on this page right now, it's not even funny.

    Y'all probably believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by people overseas, the Oklahoma City Bombing occurred thanks to Timothy McVeigh and Terry, and that the US Government actually found "Osama Bin Laden".

  • wakeup

    @fuck youpayme, that playing in they hands thing would make sense for up and coming rappers,...but what kind of publicity does soemone like jay z need??? He's jay z , he needs to act like he worships the devil to get attention?? Lol no it looks like he worships the devil because he sold his soul in 96 and is one of the biggest puppets in rap

  • Pauly D

    "im around young black men all the time, they wear tight jeans, play his music all day and everything they say is like there quoting him. There BRAINWASHED. nad dont take this like im saying lil wayne is the only one, hes just one guy..RICK ROSS promotes being a king pin, Drake promotes recklace living, thats what the “yolo” thing is about….wayne, snoop dogg, game, birdman promote gang culture when half of them never gang banged in there life…wayne was wearing blue flags on the left side before he blew up lol but as far as kids in the ghetto, rappers are there leaders and they follow them"

    See, it's this type of fuckery that discredits REAL revolutionary's and militants.

  • wakeup

    That's why his record label was called rocafella(rockafellar family), and they threw up what looked like a diamond but was reeally the pyramid with the all seeing eye on the back of the dollar

  • Pauly D

    ^^^^^
    You probably get your information from horribly edited YouTube videos, don't you?

  • marty mcfly

    Nah you definitely have something against black people because if you were an intelligent black man you would've never made such generalizations about your own people based on just the people you know and the perspectives you assume but hey, thats your issue not mine. Either that or you just dumb for believing that just your views define a whole race and culture. GONE and @Paula STFU

  • marty mcfly

    Oh forget it, even Pauly knows your an idiot...Gone

  • Pauly D

    Tell me why, specifically, those in charge would need RAPPERS in their organization. Do you REALLY think that those rappers are the issue here? You're paying attention to celebrities and singers when the reality is that they don't make the DECISIONS THAT AFFECT YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE. Those in Congress, those in the Senate, those in the UN and the President control such things.

  • wakeup

    @marty, definitely not just based on the people i know, that was just an example so you can cut the rant...you can see what im talking bout everywhere....dont you love genralizing kids today as the skinny jeans era? aka the brainwashed era? you know about the people im talking about, dont play dumb...young kids that sag tight jeans, talk bad about women all day,live by "money over bitches"...DIRECT result of whats being promoted in music and media

  • Pauly D

    ^^^^
    Like marty said, you're generalizing on cliches and shit that you don't even fully understand. When is the last time that you have TALKED to a group of teens who sag their pants?

  • marty mcfly

    You have to have gone "everywhere" to make generalizations about "everywhere". If you have never been to all the different communities and places the people live you cant make some blanket statement about their way of life cause you dont know what your talking about. Not all black men and black people are the same. That is completely ignorant in itself for those that believe that and if you do then who's really been brainwashed?

  • wakeup

    so question marty, who are young black men from the ghetto's role models? barack obama? is that why they are in an out of jail, smoke weed all day, and are covered in tattoes?, these kids look up to RAPPERS...siagon said in an interview, rappers was his father growing up because had know father, who else to look to but the ones who made it?

  • wakeup

    @pauly d, just now when i walked away from the computer, i live with teens who sag there pants...any more questions?

    @marty, i know not all black men and women arent the same...but a LARGE amount of them are being brainwashed, that should be obvious

  • Pauly D

    Again @wakeup, you are exposing yourself as a clueless POS.

    1. We smoke weed because we need an escape. I don't know YOUR exact background, but we use weed to leave behind (if only for a moment) school stresses as well as love relationships and parental issues.

    2. The amount of kids from the hood who actually LOOK UP to rappers like Lil Wayne and Jay-Z are slim. Nobody from the current generation respects Lil Wayne or Jay-Z; not the way you're making it seem. If anything, they respect their WEALTH and the symbol of it. NOT THE PERSON THEMSELVES

  • Pauly D

    @wakeup

    Firstly, the "brainwashing" you're talking about is non existant. Kids don't sag their pants and smoke weed, party and fuck because they've been "brainwashed" by rappers. They do all of that shit because it's part of the CHOICES that they've made on their OWN.

  • wakeup

    @pauly d, your telling im making generalizations but are actually doing it yourslef...!)there are many reasons people smoke weed, thats just one, 2)you said the amount of kids from the hood who look up to rappers like lil wayne an jay z are slim? can you prove that any better than me saying the opposite???....your obviously being defensive..nobody from the current generation respects lil wayne or jay z????? your fuckin crazy lol thats a bigger generalization than what i said because i sad a large amount of kids , which can be proven...you can prove NOT ONE person from this current generation respects those guys? why didnt you even reply to me? lol YOU mite respect there wealth , you cant tell me what they respect...speak for yourself

  • wakeup

    @pauly d, kids didnt start wearing skinny jeans until lil wayne and kanye west started wearing them in around 2008.......i didnt even mention partying so your just being defensive lol i know some people smoke for different reasons,...but alot of people smoke because THEY THINK ITS COOL...and whats "cool" is a big part of young peoples lives....and whats "cool" can be traced back to what rappers do...so there definitely is a brainwashing going on.....stop taking smoking and using that like that was my main point

  • Pauly D

    I can tell you what the majority of kids and teens in Atlanta respect because I'm around them everyday. I can prove that there are barely kids in this gen who look up to Jay and Wayne because, again, I am around these people. Again, I know multiple people that are huge Jay-Z fans. Do they hold him as a model? No. Do they respect what he did to his wealth and his lifestyle? Of course.

  • wakeup

    "I can tell you what the majority of kids and teens in Atlanta respect because I’m around them everyday"....and im around kids in new york everyday, so i can tell you what the majority of kids and teens respect also.......your telling me im making generalizations..WHILE MAKING GENERALIZATIONS lol contradiction?

  • marty mcfly

    Just stop man cause now you getting ridiculous and you know you sound ridiculous. And Yes Barack Obama is a role model to alot of black people in the hood just like other historical figures so why would you pretend to not know that. Im done cause you sound crazy. Again your trying to generalize millions of people at once as if that will ever make sense once you get down to specifics and find out that millions of different people of the same race still have their own individual minds, paths and stories regardless of whatever kind of music they listen to. I know several black people personally that do not fit the little box you wanna describe them as being in. Use some sense and if you cant then you just deaf dumb and blind yourself. You sound like you just went right to some negative stereotypical view about black people written by another idiot and repeated it like an idiot. @Pauly save it cause this guy is just lost.

  • wakeup

    they DEFINITELY hold him as a role model....they see hes rich ..and guess how he rich? by going to school? no he dropped out, sold drugs and started rapping.....which is what alot of kids do today..if role models of young black kids were lawyers and doctors, there would be more black lawyers and doctors but instead most black kids want to be rappers, basketball players, models as far as females, because THOSE are there idols, period

  • Pauly D

    "kids didnt start wearing skinny jeans until lil wayne and kanye west started wearing them in around 2008"

    Really? Have any evidence of this? Scientific studies? Or are you just bullshitting. Because I remember specifically that Wayne didn't start wearing skinnies until AFTER HIS JAIL TIME.

    "alot of people smoke because THEY THINK ITS COOL"

    That's only a small amount of people. Some of the main reasons that people in general smoke both weed and tobacco is to relieve stress.

    "and whats “cool” is a big part of young peoples lives….and whats “cool” can be traced back to what rappers do…so there definitely is a brainwashing going on"

    But you can't say that that's not how it was in other generations. Your point is leading you nowhere at all. And again with the brainwashing thing--how exactly is it brainwashing for this generation to follow trends but it wasn't so when you were a child? Following trends =/= being brainwashed.

    I don't even think you truly understand what it means to be "brainwashed"

  • wakeup

    @marty,"I know several black people personally that do not fit the little box you wanna describe them as being in"....you just made a generalization after telling me im making generalizatiions lol and im lost? you say you know several lack people that dont fit what im saying? i do too...but THE MAJORITY of kids in the neighborhoods im talking about DO, and that can be proven....IM probably much younger than you marty...i know what kids in my generation are into...didnt say ALL but even you make generalizatins about the kids today so dont even lie to yourself...im not pretending to not know some kids look up to barack obama, some do..but you can bet most dont...would you bet a large amount of money that most ghetto kids look up to obama over jay z? even if alot of people do look up to obama, HOW MANY OF THEM RUN FOR PRESIDENT???? ADD THAT UP AND THEN TELL ME HOW MANY OF THEM TRY TO BE RAPPERS???

  • Pauly D

    @ marty

    I might as well lol. Dude is making no real rational points.

    @wakeup

    Maybe it is YOU who needs to do the waking up. This entire time you have generalized about what you SEE in the media and how later generations describe the current one.

    When you were a child, what was your role model? Was it a lawyer? Or a doctor? Or a pharmacist? No? Then shut the hell up with your contradictory bullshit.

    Young women want to be dancers and models because they have a yearning for the art of it, not because a celebrity is a dancer or a model.

    Most young men who want to go into sports don't idolize men like Drew Brees and Kobe, but instead look more to their achievements and admire more the art of the game.

    Maybe you should actually sit down with a young person and ASK them why they want to be these things and why they do the other stuff. Because, instead of insinuating about shit that you don't even fully understand, you might LEARN SOMETHING.

  • wakeup

    @pauly d...i dont need evidence...I WAS THERE lol i live in new york WHERE IT STARTED....wayne started wearing skinny jeans when he was on his carter 3 shit.....around 2008..thats when the skinny jeans explosion happened...

    i know alot of people smoke to releive stress, stop bringing up weed like that was my main point...you sound butt hurt lol...peer pressure is also a big reason some kids smoke

    "how exactly is it brainwashing for this generation to follow trends but it wasn’t so when you were a child?"...didnt say brain washing is only to follow trends, you obviously didnt pay attention to what i was saying to marty...just jumped in because i hurt your feelings lol homo sexual trends are just a small part of the brain washing....THE MENTALITY was my main point...music is promoting homo sexuality...talking down on women, and living by "bros over hoes" lol.....i was in my house when this kid told his friend asap rocky aint nice but he likes his swagg...mean while his pants was at his knees lol homo sexuality and self hatred has been being promoted for a long time, pay attention

  • marty mcfly

    Yeah I made a positive generalization and I used the word "several" that I know personally. You came in this shit saying lil Wayne is the black mans leader and making other comments generalizing ALL black men. Thats the difference dumbass and NO you aint around everybody from everywhere, everyday fool. From Cali to NY you got a million different places with black people there and no they aint all the same and honestly its niggas like you that need to go too cause niggas that cant even respect they own is actually worse then the racists themselves. Lost nigga you and btw america has alot of black doctors and lawyers and many black kids aspire to be in those fields as well so wtf are talking about? STFU you can tag a whole race of people cause you see them participating in the culture that same race created and pioneered. You just lost...

  • Pauly D

    So you're equating sagging pants to self hatred? yep...I'm done.

  • marty mcfly

    you canT tag a whole race of people.... with some stereotypical bullshit and use hip hop culture as the reason why. Thats completely ignorant. Black people were here before hip hop culture and black people will be here after hip hop culture. Smh

  • wakeup

    @pauly d,"This entire time you have generalized about what you SEE in the media and how later generations describe the current one."...ALSO what i see my self...just like what YOUR DOING, soo how can you say im generalizing when your doing the same thing?

    "When you were a child, what was your role model? Was it a lawyer? Or a doctor? Or a pharmacist? No? "....that would only be a condradiction IF I SAID I WAS THE OPPOSITE ...i idolized drug dealers, gang bangers, and rappers when i was a kid because those were the guys tat got respect in my neighborhood...wasnt till i grew up that i noticed theres a lack of guidence in black communities

    "Young women want to be dancers and models because they have a yearning for the art of it, not because a celebrity is a dancer or a model."....ALL OF THEM? really? genralization??? lol im sure some do, but your lying to yourslef if you think others do it because they see it on tv and are influenced to do it

    "Maybe you should actually sit down with a young person and ASK them why they want to be these things and why they do the other stuff"...i actually do all the time, there my friends

    and there isn't much i need to learn, im a young person myself....assumed i was old?

  • wakeup

    @pauly d..."So you’re equating sagging pants to self hatred? yep…I’m done".......i didnt do that...i talked about self hatred with marty....pay attention or shut the fuck up....i was equating sagging pants with homo sexuality, marty also does that all the time, so he knows what im talking about

  • wakeup

    @marty, stfu i thought you were done??? lol

  • wakeup

    @marty,"its niggas like you that need to go too cause niggas that cant even respect they own is actually worse then the racists themselves"....thats YOU taking it as me saying i dont respect my own...im just stating whats going on...a big part of our race are "lost niggas"

    " america has alot of black doctors and lawyers and many black kids aspire to be in those fields as well so wtf are talking about? " ...im talking about the other large amaount of kids who aspire to be the opposite OBVIOUSLY..just because i said that doesnt mean i dont know there are some kids on the rite path, ive said that already, pay attention or stfu...im ONE of those kids that aspire to be more, i would know...but anybody with a brain would know what im saying is true

  • wakeup

    you can see the self hatred by how black people talk to each other....a lot of black people think dark means ugly....black men saying they only date light skin girls when them themselves are dark, thats what SLAVE MASTER TAUGHT, that light/white is right...and thats whats being promoted in rap music

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