With The Blueprint turning 10 yesterday, The Source slaps the album cover on the front of their upcoming issue, due out September 20th. Speaking of The Blueprint, our family over at Complex debates if it’s better than Reasonable Doubt. Thoughts?
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Let’s what the c-section looks like on this shit lol
shake is (sort of) a fucking faggot
Since when has The Source been relevant after Benzino and Mays fiasco. Fuck Jay Z’s corporate ass motherfucker.
Jay z is still doing it http://tinyurl.com/3s566pa
someone please explain how is it a 9/11 tribute issue???
is the beat for takeover and girls, girls, girls.
hmm… thats about it tbh.
*goes back to playing ghetto dreams.
The Blueprint one came out on 9/11 the exact same day the Twin Towers were attacked
@ JAyP , BP1 came out on 9/11 and source main subject matter is hip hop so they not gonna put a picture of the WTC on fire on the cover.
anybody else thing blueprint was overrated? i’ll give it the fact that the production was dope, but aside from a few songs it wasn’t a classic.
inb4 jay z stans
@J,
I agree. It’s a good album but I could probably name 100 (strictly hip-hop albums) that I like better.
Blueprint
Takeover
Izzo
Girls, Girls, Girls
U Don’t Know (are you kidding me? all-time banger)
Heart of the City ….
Song Cry
Blueprint
Renegade with Eminem?!?
how is this overrated
Reasonable Doubt if anything is OVERRATED. Especially to my generation. If you were a 90s kid I feel like the Blueprint had more of an impact on your life than Reasonable Doubt. Generation plays a big part.
ex. The highschoolers/early college kids that listen to hip-hop think hip-hop is J. Cole and Drake.
Shit was not overrated.. One of my personal favorites.. production was raw
@LOS ANGEL generation does not change whether or not an album is overrated. I’m 17 and I think that Reasonable Doubt is a classic, much better than the Blueprint (which I like as well, it’s just simply not as good)
Reasonable Doubt > The Blueprint
for that matter, Black Album > The Blueprint
Put yourself in a 2001 mindstate because Kanye never had a solo album back then and all the albums you listened to from 02 till now didnt even exist. The rhyme patterns that people use today werent being used as much yet. They way Kanye and Just Blaze chopped soul samples was not a mainstream thing yet. Now this is at a time when Jay was building the ROC and just coming off the buzz of the Dynasty album. People were not expecting Takeover or Girls Girls Girls ( a super soul sample ) and H to the Izzo. Also Ems career at the time was huge and once his fans heard Renegade they damn near went crazy. So thats why classic albums have alot to do with the time period that they came out. I could say Nas album It Was Written aint a classic 15 years after the fact but way back in 96 the sound of his album sounded classic , same with BP1.
18 yrs old and reasonable doubt and blueprint are both in my cd changer. so lets not lump us all together boss. i dont think its overrated at all. but i like reasonable doubt slightly better.
I kno 90s babies that love r.d and bp1.
bp1 is classic and so is blue print, blue print had takeover..one of the biggest battle records ever (Addressin nas mobbdeep etc etc) it was HUGE renegade, classic, momma loves me (blueprint) classic jay goin into his childhood deeply which he doesnt always do, NEVER CHANGE…classic i cud go on…
i’ll give it the fact that the production was dope,
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wait so im guessin u didnt listen to the lyrics AT ALL????
THAT ALBUM was more lyrical and witty (originally witty most punchlines are rehashes or straight jacks from the 90s ..sorry) than most albums from the past 10 years
i mean u only have to listen to regrets, d’evils, 22 twos, CASHMERE THOUGHTS ( u CAN NOT say that aint lyrical) , bring it on, …ahhh forget it lol…
Poor man’s Supreme clientele
RZA and Ghostface from 98 does not sound like BP1 in 2001 lets keep it real.
Correction: That Ghost album came out in 2000 BUT Ghost and Jay rhyme and sound totally different and The Wutang Rza sound isnt the same the sound on BP1 just cause they both have sample beats.
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Put yourself in a 2001 mindstate because Kanye never had a solo album back then and all the albums you listened to from 02 till now didnt even exist. The rhyme patterns that people use today werent being used as much yet. They way Kanye and Just Blaze chopped soul samples was not a mainstream thing yet. Now this is at a time when Jay was building the ROC and just coming off the buzz of the Dynasty album. People were not expecting Takeover or Girls Girls Girls ( a super soul sample ) and H to the Izzo. Also Ems career at the time was huge and once his fans heard Renegade they damn near went crazy. So thats why classic albums have alot to do with the time period that they came out. I could say Nas album It Was Written aint a classic 15 years after the fact but way back in 96 the sound of his album sounded classic , same with BP1.
marty mcfly said this on September 12th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
^^^^ Cosign
I’m 19 and Reasonable Doubt is one of the most played albums in my iPod …so you have no point.
Reasonable Doubt is 5X better than the Blueprint.
Just think, 10 short years ago Jay-Z was making actual hip-hop and not gay experimental shit.
Blueprint is overrated? And Illmatic is not?
@Wamp Wamp
People like you hold society back.
Blueprint’s great, no doubt, but you get tired of it after a play, you needa break from all the poppy Izzos & shit. Great album though. But it goes: Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, & American Gangster. Even though for me sometimes Black album takes it because of memories I have with that shit.
i dig what marty mcfly is sayin! though i dont relate
yea reasonable doubt is jay’s greatest work period. i had a friend that swore wayne was the greatest rapper alive until he heard that album, now he’s a jay-z quotin stan.
Reasonable Doubt is the BLUEPRINT for rapper’s albums nowadays.
Reasonable Doubt is the BLUEPRINT for rapper’s albums nowadays.
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hahhahahaha. thats a copy of all the albums from 95.
who remembers sunshine, on vol 1 btw. lmao.
Black Album> Reasonable>Blueprint>American Gangster>everything else (who cares)
People comparing albums when this is about BP1. Just saying cause when he made Reasonable Doubt he had no fans so he was just shooting in the dark with no previously set standard to uphold. When he made BP1 he had more then 5 million fans so those albums are not gonna sound the same. He’s still trying to give fans the same message that he just conveyed again with WTT. That you can have a commercially successful album and still keep it dope hip hop.
ooohhh shit @ Airborne “Blueprint is overrated? And Illmatic is not?” heresy in the c-section lol somebody actually NOT stating Illmatic is the holy grail of hip-hop.
If anything blueprint seems to be underrated these days. For the life of me I don’t understand why people put the black album over blueprint. Blueprint better than Reasonable doubt though? I think arguments can be made either way. I say each did what they needed/were supposed to do as far as classics go in the decades they were released in. 2 classics, 2 different decades. Damn near got a chance to go for 3. And not many rappers can say that shit.
I think RD set an explosion through street made hip hop, Blueprint 1 became its second coming. Both great albums for two different eras.
@Airborne Hold up…Did you just insult the bible of hip hop? The Illmatic? Your hip hop license has been revoked.
@ Marty
But you can say he was shooting in the dark when he dropped BP1. Just like you said, his sound was removed from the sound of the times at that point, but it also was removed from his sound at that point as well, or anything he had done up from Vol.1 to The Dynasty Album (commercially driven albums). BP1 wasn’t set up to be a commercially viable album, it just ended up showing that you can make dope commercial shit. And really the whole argument back then about commercial vs. dope hip hop wasn’t even that prevalent like it is today, so his intentions weren’t even along those lines of giving fans that. If anything people were hyped for the eminem collabo around that time if I remember, because Em’s star power was at an all time high around that time. Shit just ended up being a good album, and the critics received the shit well which was what pushed it. Right product right time.
The Just Blaze beat on “Song Cry” was my shit when Blueprint dropped so my heart goes to that.
@Actual Factual the whole commercial & mainstream vs underground & real hip hop thing started in the the late 90s with Puff and Cash money and also Jay making HKL song and album. Jay was kinda of shooting in the dark with BP1 being that BP1 is the only album Jay made without a plan. He recorded most of it in seven days and didnt think about anything other then the sound of it thats why you have songs like All I Need where its no real substance , its just bars but then you got shit like Never Change and Song Cry. However Jay is naturally gonna give you commercial material thats still authentic hip hop cause thats just how he is. The first single was actually posed to be Heart of The City not H Izzo but that changed in the last minute because everybody around him told him that would be best and they was right. Jays position is what he uses to he best to his advantage cause he would could have said fuck hardcore hip hop after 98 when he sold 5 million but instead he just stays and plays his position. Whether Em was on it or not BP1 would have still been dope but I think his main concern was making sure Kanyes sound was heard and thats why every year since then you hear soul samples getting respected where back when BP1 came out soul samples were looked at differently like they couldnt compete with the south or other mainstream music.
“CLASSIC SHOULD HAVE WENT TRIPLE”
I always have this debate with people when they try to tell me Black Album was better than Blueprint. Fluck outta here.
Reasonable Doubt>>>the rest of Jay’s discography.
i think we’re nic picking with the whole “which classic is better”. they’re both classics! you may favor one over the other, like my order would probley be Reasonable Doubt/Black Album/BP1, but that comes down to personal preference, as with everyone else. but you cant really compare classics with eachother. its just understood that these are two classics.
the reason why the black album is so tough, is bcuz IT WAS THE LAST ALBUM. it had the most expectations and dude delivered. there are no skips. and im a big intro/beginning-of-the-album type of nigga. cuz i think the fist couple of tracks set the tone. and December 4th and What More Can I Say are crazy. plus dirt off my shoulder and PSA, bangers. plus encore, lucifer, change clothes, allure, moment of clarity, justify my thug, 99 problems, threat. threat is too vicious. 9th wonder stuck his foot in that. there is no question as to why the black album is debatable with BP1.
I cant decide whats better , The Black album or BP1 or American Gangster but I do think In My Lifetime is the forgotten classic outta 5 IMO. Reasonable Doubt > In My Life > etc…
All this type of debate over what’s the best album is subjective. Just individual opinions. Even though I’m not that into it, you can’t deny that the Blueprint is a “classic.” I mean, they got a goddamn Source cover commemorating it 10 years later! I will say to the guy that was talking about how groundbreaking the production was, foooey! There’s been nothing that’s changed the wheel in hip-hop production, probably since, like, Pete Rock before ’95, when Dilla came out & The Chronic (& Tribe but that was before all that stuff I mentioned). It just gets fine tuned.
IMO, im taking American Gangster ahead of the big 3. but In My Lifetime got a couple of tracks that hinder that shit from being classic. i think HKL trumps that. imo.
oh yeah and Kingdom Come is almost classic to. it just got a couple of tracks that hinder it as well.
Yea American Gangster is up there as well, and @ the realest, still think “the prelude” from kingdom come is one of the hardest songs he’s dropped. I guess at the end of the day just shows, whatever you think of about jay-z, no mainstream artist has multiple albums that could be considered classics in their own right, both “pop” wise and hip-hop-wise, at least in the hip-hop spectrum.
Yeah but if you take those two songs off that album I dont think nobody lyrically could fuck with Im My Lifetime cause that shits like American Gangster in a the way that from A Million And One Questions to You Must Love Me all goes together like a long story. Its been more then ten years since people have made albums like that.
@ actual/factual
that prelude is one of the sickest shit ever. and its coming from the president of def jam. thats what makes it so tough. the president of def jam talkin crack rocks and being the new improved russell. now where you hear a perspective like that at before? the whole “im the boss. no for real, im the boss.” theme around it. i mean how can anyone not like 30 something? especialy with andre 3k on the remix. show me what you got beat was suppose to be on greatest story never told, beach chair and lost ones some of his most personal records, 44 fours was sick, his hot 97 freestyle/most kingz was a lost track for kingdom come and that is also another top-something jay-z freestle and/or song. but i think that album was ahead of its time. niggaz wasnt ready for that grown man shit in 06. if that shit dropped today, in the era of a black president, wit that prelude on it, and niggaz actually being aware that its basically a dr. dre produced record, niggaz would be all over it.
@ marty
lol its funny that you know its only two. those pop muhfuckas. dancing in shinny suits in shit like they bad boy lol. but i hear you tho.
i’ve had this cd in my car for so long