Second verse, same as the first.
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1) Artwork is pointless for individual tracks. 2) This post is pointless because the artwork is the same as the last one.
lol xD original artworks
boring this flag. why they use the same thing?
wait is this the nw single or what? what happened to niggas in paris why would they put this single artowrk out?
who cares…. weak ass album.
we dont want artwork we want videos please THANK YOU!
is it that they’re switching Niggas in Paris with Why I Love You for their next single? if so, idk…niggas in paris is a much better song
Yawwnnnn. At least this EXACT SAME cover was fitting for Niggas in Paris. This is just pointless, as was said already.
This is one of my favorite tracks on the album
hating on single artwork is boring
Is it the exact same though, is it!?
you ever think it might be because the flag symbolizes where they recorded the song?
…and maybe… just maybe.. where the video will be shot for each individual song
niiggas tALKIN BOUt niggas n paris as a single.. i heard the shit on the radio by the djs a few times.. the same is bleeped out every 10 seconds y would release that as a single ??
and the US artwork is wack as fuck… but if u listen to the album overall they are talkin bout their success and other black leaders success in the americas so i guess thats y they ran witt it
nothing like a daily dose of watch the throne.
garbage.
wayyy overrated album…phenominal production, but wayyyy overrated album…ill be the first to admit that as far as sending a message lyrically jay z is wayy better than wayne and most i the game, but neither jay or kanye displayed their knack for wordplay/storytelling in wtt…just sounded like a lotta braggin about their money/lifestyle/bitches to me, but i guess thats what rap has come to these days…these bullshit artworks are proof theyre gettin too caught up in the luxury aspect of rap, and have lost the intensity and desire to please fans with a sick verse..please go back to putting all your efforts into your songs and not artwork/skateboarding/music videos/destroying cars/going to jail
@luckylefty24, yea im pretty sure everyone realizes it-2dopeboyz highlighted it in vids leadin up to the release, and the previous single “ni**as in paris” further educated us on the matter..either way this artwork blows
WTF is everybody talking about?! The word ‘nigga’ is said THREE times in the song ‘niggas in paris’. fuck outta here.
Niggas In Paris is going to be the urban single for the clubs and shxt, while Why I Love You is gonna be the more mainstream pop crossover type single. They were sent to radios at the same time, and are gonna be promoted at the same time. Of course, this is weak ass single artwork, seeing at Otis & Niggas In Paris artwork is the same, but IRDGAF, cause the songs go ham
ppl ever think they used both flags because they’ll plan to shoot both videos in France?
re-phrase: they used the same flag because they’ll plan to shoot both videos in France.
what a lame artwork. copying the same artwork for ni99as in paris and that was lame anyway. lame.
^Muhfucca, you can’t read?
how can you not like niggas in paris, its hilarious, it gets you moving, gets you pumped, the production on it is great. it fun, ” WHATS DRUGS MAH DEALER??”
hey I bet the next song will have the same ass “artwork”…any takers?
lol.
why even show this..
Isn’t that the flag for France? That shit cray.
The real jay-z died and was buried in the black album,his last real album…kanye west is just a pimp behind hov, the album was a 6/10 period. You niggas want a real original collabration album? go back and listen to distant relatives, blackstar, 9th wonder & david banner etc. then holla at me
You guys get upset over the littlest of things. Go find some girlfriends and stop being so butt hurt over cover art.
Yeah because American Gangster was a total piece of shit amirite?
shut up kids, listen das racist bitchez
yeah probably sum of u game weezy fifty etc cock suckers wont like jay z. they’ll buy you bitch.
mr hudson’s name isn’t even on it
Man, this and the artwork for Niggas In Paris are wacker than a virgin boy with Aveeno lotion.
They need a bright, easy to recognize cover so the old folks that listen to WTT can find the album in the store.
Ya’ll hate everything man. The fucked up part about it all is WTT has a concept to it that completely goes over the fans heads but will be copied by a whole new generation of rappers that claim they dont really like it. Every thing from how its marketed to how it sounds cause watch how beats start changing up half way through on fools albums now and watch how bounce records like HAM and Niggas in Paris start coming right back to the club like its 98 again in 3 2 1… You can hate this shit but whatever albums you been listening to must have some game changing shit on it cause it aint much else moving out there like WTT. Jay and Kanye could campaign this shit till next year if they wanted and it would still sound fresh even months after everybody been heard it if they shot more videos but they probably wont cause in america once shit is too good its just hated on for being dope.
“watch how bounce records like HAM and Niggas in Paris start coming right back to the club like its 98 again in 3 2 1″
What the hell is this guy talking about? Doesn’t he know that HAM and Niggas in Paris aren’t that special and that the South has a million records just like these?
Racks on Racks, Tony Montana, Hard In The Paint, etc.
Yeah but those songs suck and they barely left underground and once they did they stiil didnt cross over. Jay on the other hand has influence on a whole other level and he was doing bounce records way back in the day so people aint tripping and when he does it most people accept and think its cool. I dont know if people wanna sound like Rasco Dash and Waka flocka dude.
mafuckas makin excuses sayin “its because theyre shooting the vid in paris” so the fuck what man, does that mean they have to use the same artwork when it doesnt even tie into the song?? this shit is lazy just like the thought process behind the album and lmao at dude above me “in america once shit is too good its just hated on for being dope” naw dumb fuck its being hated on cause it has no substance and a project from these two guys should have came out way better then it did. its just a whole album full of “i got more shit then you look at what i can do cause of all this money i got im so cool” hip hop has turned into mindless garbage these days and yall defend it for who the fuck knows why.
” but those songs suck and they barely left underground and once they did they stiil didnt cross over.”
I’m not saying that they don’t. But what you said was seriously stupid. If they “barely left the underground”, why was everyone on the street of Atlanta, in the clubs in Atlanta, bumping them? You need to get out of the house…a lot.
“I dont know if people wanna sound like Rasco Dash and Waka flocka dude.”
That’s funny, because I swear that Kanye was just on a song with Rhoscoe and both Jay and Ye used a producer for HAM that is (wait for it!) primarily produced Waka’s first album.
The album has no substance to people who dont wanna hear the substance cause if you look for it on the album its there in plain sight. You say its sucks because you wanna be anti anything with commercial appeal but those that aint mad at that like the album and can hear the substance loud and clear. Jayz first rapping song ever had money talk in it but now people like he changed? GTFOH and the context in which he talks about money isnt just some shallow bullshit either. The albums starts off talking about how people but material things over God and the hook is about the mind state of a non believer. Now ya’ll acting like you didnt get that part cause you so caught up in Niggas In Paris.
Well in Waka and Rasco have done what Jayz and Kanye has done as far as influence in hip hop goes you let me know cause before ATL was “commercially” popular jay and many other artists that were not from ATL had those kind of songs on radio.
Marty McStan, no one cares. People are unimpressed with the album because it feels lazy based on what they’re capable of. They just assumed they could spew out a bunch of shit about private jets and luxurious rugs and people would eat it up because it’s Jay-Z and Kanye. Which, I guess they will based on your post.
Sorry for not busting a nut about a throwaway project by two bored, old millionaires.
Also, both Juicy J tapes were better than watch the throne. That energy, grind, shooting videos, is what hip hop is all about.
Jay-Z is the U2 of hip-hop, face it.
That wasn’t even my point! My point is that you’re saying HAM and Niggas in Paris will be the “resurrection” of bounce/club music, and that’s stupid as shit. Why? Because the songs that I’ve listed have been doing that and making the club go crazy.
HAM is hot garbage. They made a Luger beat make me not wanna get in a fight. I don’t even know how what’s possible.
Take every single line that has something to do with money and the fact is there will still be something there. They talking about religion , the pain of loosing family members ( Jungle ) , the allure of why people seek out the gangsta life outta frustration not just here but in other countries the why he said “build your fences , we digging tunnels” and the same kind of theme is mentioned multiple times on other songs. They talking about racism in the corporate world and in the system , their unborn sons , the murder rate in chicago , making it in america by knowing about important people from the past and lastly about loyalty and betrayal. Now you honestly expect me or anyone with common sense to believe this album has no substance? Stop it cause that bullshit aint gonna work. You expected more? Fool how many icons in hip hop put a album out has a duo in the last couple years that are anywhere close to Jay and Kanye? So you expect more in comparison to what? At the end of the day you gonna still think Jay and Kanye is rapping only about money but I know im not just making shit up about what I heard on the album along with topics of money. @Pauly well maybe you hear records where you at that sound like HAM and Niggas in Paris but I dont cause any dj spinning in the club right now only has a few options with those type of songs unless he reaches for shit that stopped being relevant years ago. Plus you people gotta learn that successful people in the business world are super competitive so the money talks hurts your feelings but it also hurts the feelings of people who are in competition with Jay. Jay has competition from all over the world and not just in hip hop but in many different businesses so he aint trying to hurt our feelings with more talk , he’s flexing on other millionairs not on people still on the grind in the streets.
Take OUT every single line… I mean
@Lean
Yeah I’m 19 so I’m an old man cause I listen to WTT. STFU you moron! Go back to listening to your soulja boy garbage nigga.
If any of you niggas actually bought the album then you would know why every single has the same cover.
nxt niggaz is gon say the videos were wack cuz jay-z wore a snapack to the wrong side kanye had on the same jordans he always wear -______-
like do you know how bitter you guys sound? and whos the imbecile that said both juicy j tapes were better than WTT. -_______- and they say, “theres no haters…thats just my opinion.” your a dumb muthafucka if thats yo opinion. not sugar-coatin shit. straight borderline retardation if not full retardation. now the day three 6 mafia and anybody inbetween put out a project better than a jay-z album or kanye album is the day pigs fly. and i dont see no damn pork, nigga.
just bcuz a person know how to work a computer does not mean they know how to interpret and judge music. and those opinions are dead and should be embarassed for even making them. like how can even look yourself in the mirror if THATS yo opinion. like what is in that noggin of yours? those HAVE to be the same ppl who bought C4
Just seriously, these covers are bad and uncreative. I mean, as an artist, I expect to see something that captures the songs essence. But this is lazy and idiotic.
Other point: You’re an idiot if you think HAM and Paris are bringing back club joints. An idiot.
@ pauly,
its simple and effective. all the covers have been flags. even the album cover which was gold and the HAM cover.
and as for HAM and Paris, they both go ham in the club. they’re not bringing anything BACK except the fact that niggaz need to step they club records game up. to. considering they’ve made conceptual and experimental albums, to still be able to drop *three MAJOR club records(“who gon stop me” is the third im referring to if you dont know. shoot as i think about it, you can throw “gotta have it” as well) so FOUR-MAJOR club records that will bump all across the world.
Yeah, its no doubt that HAM and Paris will go in in the clubs. But I was refering to when Marty was talking about this was the “return of bounce/club music”. The statement he made was just too ignorant to ignore.
^ lol
….. how bout France artifacts & historic landmarks that would of been better than just a flag but hey I really dont care for the artwork I want VIDEOS!
@Pauly those werent my exact words , there yours and since you still cant name any records that currently play in the club that sound like HAM or Nigga In Paris. STFU cause clearly im right.
how bout France artifacts & historic landmarks that would of been better than just a flag
^
that would be doing way too much. they cant go COMPLETLY to the left. you see how mad ppl are because it wasnt “hiphop” enough. to go with French artifacts & historic landmarks would go way over most niggaz heads whether its their faults or not. they quote stuff all the time in the damn music and ppl say its just luxury rap or weak. so to do artwork like that is doing way too much especially for a single. and by the way, yeezy always presents great artwork and never gets his credit for it. ppl care more about how long his rant was or how hes “not hiphop” anymore when hes trying to be cultured. but muthafuckas dont understand it. they choose to hate. when they see a person who was once like them accumulate an amount of wealth they turn bitter and envy. when theres only two ways to handle it. either not care about the money but its mos def not the most important thing in life OR let it motivate you and play catch up. but muthafuckas dont understand it.
You want me to name tracks that play in the club that sound like H.A.M?
-Grove Street Party, OLetDoIt, Tony Montana, some Juicy J tracks.
Tracks that sound like Niggas In Paris?
Racks on Racks, some Tity Boi tracks.
Stop being a damn Stan dawg. Negro, I’m from the South and every time I turn on the radio, there are 7 out of 10 songs that sound like HAM and 2 out of 10 that sound like Paris. You sound too ignorant, man.
That Hundred Thousand Dollars and a Rubber Band song by Travis Porter sounds like Paris too. Just thought I’d add to my ever winning argument.
Marty, you’re a dumb fucking piece of shit. You make the rest of the niggerz look worse than they do now, you ingrate monkey.
Well keep your country ass in the south cause theres a bigger world out here and in Cali niggas aint bumpin no fucking grove street or Tony Montana or Juicy J and they dont sound the same and they dont have the same level of hype as in where you from. Ill give you the Big Sean song but that got Kanye on it anyway and at the end of the day for your argument to work it would mean that Jay and Kayne have the same amount of influence as the niggas you speak on and the fact is they have ten times the influence so who do you think people are looking at. The fucking album is called Watch The Throne. HELLO you comparing racks on racks to a song from two icons? Just pay homage bitch cause you dont even know what your saying while these two have tons of evidence supporting the fact that they both influence and change the sound of hip hop almost every album they drop. You mothafuckas mad at artwork? Fucking artwork? WTF is that about? STFU
This ignorant negro “marty mcfly” sounds mad. As fuck…
The argument wasn’t whether Cali “niggas” are bumping Grove Street or not. Your argument was that HAM and Paris are the resurrection of club and hype music. Which I proved wrong by giving you tracks that have the same components and sound mechanics as your precious HAM.
The argument I made is that your argument was completely wrong and that these two tracks are instead following the trend instead of setting it.
You really sound like a stan now.
@ pauly
i do see the similarities in the songs. especially wit rubber band/paris. but i think the point marty trying to make is that in-comparison with HAM and Paris, they not touching it. no waka song is touching HAM in terms of production lyrics and wit. and no travis porter song is touching Paris in the same catagoriess. only title they have is ignorance. and im talkng dumb nigga ignorance, not sophisticated ignorance. yeezy gem. lol
Point blank, if you were to remove the verses from both HAM and Paris, and gave it to a dude down here, they would most likely think it was a Flocka or Gucci beat.
@the realest
Yeah, I know that those songs aren’t hitting the other two with lyrics. I don’t even like those songs. Mcfly’s point was that HAM and Paris are restoring club music and bringing it back. My point was that there are tracks that sound almost EXACTLY like those two and have been here for a long while.
Pauly Dee and Marty going at it is the best thing going in the c-sections lol
but cosign like a muafucka @ the realest, that last comment summed up shit perfectly.
And muafuckas choose to over look new day and murder to excellence and call shit luxury rap overlooking the fact that 90% of mainstream rap IS luxury rap, it’s just the watch the thrown take on the “luxury” part is better than the watered down luxury bullshit rappers LIE about in their raps these days, at the same time still touching on subjects rappers can’t even begin to capture in their raps. I think its the fact that when these two speak about money people all of a sudden can’t relate because it’s true, it ain’t make believe like other rappers, they rather hear muafuckas talk outlandish shit in their raps knowing they don’t really got it like that to make them feel less bitter. Like when could you muafuckas ever relate to an artist fully? All of a sudden you can’t listen to something because you can’t relate? Please lol. But on the cover shit is cool, nothing groundbreaking but seems to be in line with everything they’re doing to promote which is keeping shit simple.
you right. but thats cuz they using the same producers. idk if hit-boy make records for southern niggaz but it sure do sound like it. yeah marty wrong for saying that jay and ye bringing anything back. if anything, they’re sayin they can compete wit the wakas and travis on their own level, since thats what the public wants. if anything.
And HAM was basically hopping on a trend of production (Lex Luger), which I was surprised at at the time coming from those two, shit’s nothing different from anything else in the club
@DaTruth , you like to use the word nigger alot cause you’ve been doing it for months but the fact is who do you believe your hurting by using the word. Its 2011 bitch , no black person is feeling no type of way about you spewing the word nigger all over the place cause we both know you have never used it in any black persons face. So keep using it in every comment you post but im just saying what the hell is that posed to do cause I feel nothing when a angry mothafucka starts resorting to using nigger in 2011 cause I say nigga too much to be worried about that. You really probably just wanna them white kids trying to fit in by saying niggA around black people but all this nigger shit you keep saying? Homie black people been over that word for about 20 years now. Get over it cause we are. @Pauly you did not prove anything by bringing up mostly records that no longer get played on radio and you cant prove me too wrong anyway cause im saying HAM and Niggas in Paris will influence records that will come out in the future so how you know what your talking about is true cause even the songs you named arent as pronounced as the WTT songs anyway and YOU keep saying the word resurrection not me and now you using words like hype and club whicj can be said about a bunch of songs. I said Bounce fool cause Can I get A had a huge part in expanding that sound past just the south in 98. Now fast forward to BP1 which was one of the most influential hip hop albums of all time in terms of commercial records with soul samples before Kanye solo debut now you think people aint influenced by a album telling people to watch? HAM and Nigga In Paris are far more knocking then the shit you brought up because you talking about that BMF sound that Ross uses. Go ask a dj whos been in the game for ten years about my opinion on the influence of big club records and then come back.
people act like its bad to rap about luxury .. i mean we talkin bout millionaires fuck u want them to rap about ? being broke 20 years ago ?? rofl fuck outta here.. if u got racks on racks on racks than u gonna rap about that shit … niggas want jay to become 50 cent or some shit a gangsta rapper idk .. fuck outta here theres different types of raps go listen to some nas witt that bullshit if u wanna hear about what goes on in the hood
If HAM and PARIS are supposed to be “influences”, then that makes Ace Hood’s singles the same right? Your logic is all over the place. These two records won’t onfluence shit if they both sound like the run of the mill Gucci Mane track.
*influence
theres a meaning to that album .. its about being proud of how blacks werent shit when we first came to america to niggas being icons in america .. rejoice
And muafuckas choose to over look new day and murder to excellence and call shit luxury rap overlooking the fact that 90% of mainstream rap IS luxury rap, it’s just the watch the thrown take on the “luxury” part is better than the watered down luxury bullshit rappers LIE about in their raps these days, at the same time still touching on subjects rappers can’t even begin to capture in their raps. I think its the fact that when these two speak about money people all of a sudden can’t relate because it’s true, it ain’t make believe like other rappers, they rather hear muafuckas talk outlandish shit in their raps knowing they don’t really got it like that to make them feel less bitter.
^UUUUUHHH! this deserve that rick ross grunt. lmao.
No because Ace Hood is not JAYZ AND KANYE WEST cause his influence is no where even close and his fan base isnt as massive and his album isnt as hyped or as balanced as WTT. You talking about these records wont influence shit from artists that people say are the best MCs out. Ive there are artists at there that consider Jay the best , you mean to tell me that these songs and others on WTT wont influence the sound of their own music. The title of the album it self is almost saying “here watch this formula and then use it” Why do you think they cover underground sounds and very commercial sounds on the same album? What do you think Niggas in Paris is designed to do? You talking about people have already been rockin over beats like HAM and Nigga in Paris? What? the only one that comes remotely close is the big sean song any other record you speak of aint really poppin like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlkZfeGZSd4&ob=av3n
That song has the same elements as ham. Ham and paris bring nothing new to the table. You may have just heard that formula, but its been in the south since roughly 07-08.
yeah HAM and Paris arnt really the influencing songs. they’re supply and demand records. the only influencing records imo(keyword in my opinion, THIS is a debatable topic) are “who gon stop me” and “why i love you”.
but its not an experimental album. ppl get caught up with the shinny cover(lol do you see how easily niggaz perspectives can be changed??) and think its gonna be timbaland/black-eye-ps/kid cudi/last train to paris. its just a great album. with all types records. shit they had more sample based records then experimental. but i’ve said before, ppl listen with their eyes. if its not the gold cover, or maybach, or 7500 bottles of ace of spades that their making their judgement on. not the actual music.
Now Who gon stop me could be influential. Paris? No.
As for this luxury rap shit some of you think that people in the hood dont like to hear that when alot of people who dont have money like to hear Jay talk that shit cause it gives them hope. They listen to those lyrics and imagine what those feelings of great success are like and it gives them some escapism and hope. So not all people look at it as if they dont relate then they hate it or it sucks. Little kids dont listen to Jayz and think oh he’s all about money so he must not have morals. They listen and think of him and other rappers as superheros and the money talk makes them hyped so dont just look at it one way. @Pauly still you use Waka flocka as if his records have the same impact or influence as WTT. No
actually ham cant b a influential record because back than what was that in like feburary ?? lex luger was poppin back than .. i heard this niggA Name in everybody mouth… so tha fact that jay and kanye went to them was surprising but as u can see that nigga career is about done due everybody beats starting to sound the same (ex. lil wayne john)
why everybody care about a cover damm all use are fucked fo real
Cosign “Now Who gon stop me could be influential. Paris? No.” Nothing sounding or constructed like Who Gon Stop Me at this point as far mainstream hip-hop goes, and that song don’t even sound mainstream.
And honestly HAM sounded like Nigga What, Nigga Who (Originators 99) circa Volume 2 so if you wanna be historically technical and talk about influences lol, shits nothing new or influential at this point.
Even if im wrong and no other record comes out sounding like HAM or Niggas then its either cause people just cant match that sound or they cant make better records but if either song comes on in the club this year or whenever you best believe other artists are thinking like “damn that song is a monster”. Incase you dont know the purpose of WTT its to show people that you can have a highly commercial and mainstream album and still have ugly face making singles like Otis and still have songs with great substance in it. They made this album for the purpose for people to bite they style and whether people do or dont they aint tripping. Watch The Throne mite not be appreciate by you internet heads but it serves a purpose and pound for pound you favorite artists album does not come close in beats , subject matter or influence. Now alot of that has to do with Jay and Kanye position and fame even before they dropped the album but you posed to hate the game not the players. Even if you dont like the album , something about it you do like alot even if its just ten percent. They mite never ever ever do a album or even a song together again so stop the hate.
Cosign “Now Who gon stop me could be influential. Paris? No.” Nothing sounding or constructed like Who Gon Stop Me at this point as far mainstream hip-hop goes, and that song don’t even sound mainstream.
And honestly HAM sounded like Nigga What, Nigga Who (Originators 99) circa Volume 2 so if you wanna be historically technical and talk about influences lol, shits nothing new or influential at this point.
Actual/Factual said this on September 10th, 2011 at 1:42 am
^ cept that last train to paris. but niggaz aint ready for that yet. that was most definitly ahead of its time. i mean niggaz aint even mature enough for the subject matter let alone be able to appreciate the musical presentation.
but outside of that nah. nothing really new. which aint a bad thing. some ppl just always looking for the new new. like some shit was just perfect or just right. no need to search for a new or atleast rush. like everybody tryna draft they best new nigga that they think gonna be the next somebody. only nigga i see possibly being that is kendrick. only knock i have on him is he not top-top notch lyrcially. he top notch. but i see him as a-grade-below Nas, nigga. he talking bout the samething Nas was talking bout, but he aint got Nas bars. which is understandable, Nas is the godMC, how could you live up to those shoes off one album anyway? (so fall back stans!)
and possibly drake. but drake mos def the grant hill of the game. dude had so much more expected when he FIRST got buzz. im talking after So Far Gone when niggaz was talkin bout how he could “CHANGE THE GAME” if he went independent with all that buzz. but lets us down with signing to the major. TML was a very solid album. not a classic as what was expected. i consider those lost seasons like grant.
@ Marty
Not even people in the hood, but it’s people across the board talking about they can’t relate, “oh I rather listen to Sa-Ra or Jay Electronica” was argued to me…muthafucka you can’t relate to Jay Electronica’s life lol stop it. And it’s not even about relating or not relating, it’s using relating as a weak ass excuse to not listen to them because you can find a reason to NOT listen to the shit. Just say you ain’t fucking with it man don’t say you can’t relate, because none of the music is meant a mirror for you or fucking life coaching, i mean it’s cool when a artist can capture your life in a song at a particular moment, but they rarely do that for people throughout their whole catalog. I don’t hate my mom. One of my old friends back in the day did and began fucking with drugs because of it. Did we have disagreements over the Marshall Mathers LP? No, because back then the music was good to listen to and we both played the shit all day. That’s it. Now all of a sudden “i don’t have a maybach so…” “or the economy is in the toilet what’s their problem” lol, muthafucka it’s a big gap between the bus and a maybach and Kanye and Jay arn’t economic commentators lol. smh fickle music “fans” these days.
people just cant match that sound
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Doesn’t Lex have millions of songs on millions of mixtapes with songs that sound almost EXACTLY like HAM? Stop stanning.
@ actual/factual
exactly, its not about relativity, its about the product. and its high quality. the relativity issues are obvious excuses that can be seen miles away. bcuz if that was the case why is scarface the movie so loved? why can educated ppl consider goodfellas, casino and the godfather classics? are they ignorant for appreciating an artform of entertainment surrounded in elements such as murder and other illegal activities? no. because its more than just the murder and what not, its about the emotions and thought thats behind it. and movies like that have the highly-educated defending and explaining the reason for it. but hiphop dont have the same support. frankly bcuz most dont have anything behind it other than murder sex and drugs. like i could never take any of the carters to a college forum and debate with a professor. but could with any kanye album and many jay albums. preferably his most recent. WHY? bcuz they’re they content is coming from a more mature perspective. like i would take american gangster kingdom come and WTT and clear my schedule for the rest of the day.
No pauly because people dont have a record out that sounds EXACTLY like HAM. I havent heard a beat that has the same elements as HAM all fucking year. Just because someone has bass in they beats like BMF does not mean they have some opera , night rider , heavy bass , crowd participation section, shit thats going on in HAM. STFU already cause seriously you always lose.
I said it had the same elements first off.
Point blank, Ham and Paris aren’t influential. Period. Nite all.
lol the final arguement on HAM and Paris is that their not new or influencing. yeah they do have yeezys twist and style on it. like i aint ever heard an opera cut on a lex beat. but i’ve heard it with camron and dipset plently of times. same can be said with Paris. its the same just wit yeezy’s style of production on it. and overall, is just saying that they can take it to the blacktops and rucker parks, i.e. the clubs, and to quote jay “i had to take off the blazer, loosen up the tie, step inside the booth, superman is alive.”
just like when jeezy drop the recession wit all them soulful samples. same situation. just in reverse.
@actual factual my thing is this , I got Jayz first album and Nas 2nd album when I was in middle school. Do you think I could relate to that shit? Fuck no and none of my friends knew what they was talking about on those albums we just acted like we did but that didnt make us say its sucks because we cant relate to money and selling drugs. We related to the feelings and the vibe of what they were saying so it didnt matter that we really didnt no what the words meant. We would listen to It Was Written over and over until we started to understand because we wanted the knowledge. Thats the difference between fans years ago and fans that dont really appreciate skills no more.
We would listen to It Was Written over and over until we started to understand because we wanted the knowledge.
^ yeah thats that rick ross grunt or a funk flex bomb dropped. niggaz remember those moments. dont know why niggaz now days dont have that same appreciation. the day i found out on of my lil cousins was calling himself basedgod i looked at him like walked in a straight faggot.
@the realest , you doing the same shit as pauly just with better music but the fact is the artists you named aint Jayz or Kanye and they shit is old and look at they track record. Jay is one of the most influential MCs ever and Kanye created a whole new lane of rappers that dont speak on drugs and violence and that get extra artistic. The only other major influence with Kanye came out was 50cent. Well people cant copy 50 so you start hearing a bunch of rap about college life over soul samples years later. Now whether people try to create the sound of bounce records like Nigga In Paris or not , if people did would you really be surprised? Probably not. Only thing artists in the south would have to do is rearrange sounds they already are familiar with but WTT made that shit knock.
@the realest but its all good cause I already know you see both sides of the coin but that shit I was saying about fans that really used to listen even when they couldnt relate is real though.
damn @ the realest, that dipset heatmakerz sound lol, i knew HAM sounded like something, that shit does sound like Juelz “Dipset (Santana’s Town)” lol
@ Marty the influence of these two artists is undeniable, but it’s a stretch to say that the things you are stating are influential, when those songs are not all that standout in terms of sound, and to say well rappers may or may not run with it after and be influenced by it, that goes with anything though right? Things may or may not become a trend is sort of common sense. I understand what you’re saying but in this instance Kanye & Jay didn’t do anything new with that sound, it’s just them two being on it means more than other artists doing a similar sound. When I first heard Jay on HAM I was like ok he came on strong on this shit lol sounded a little hungry, but it wasn’t like damn the landscape just changed with this sound this gonna turn shit on it’s head.
@ marty
yeah that was that real. took me back to when i first cop’d that e. 1999 eternal. i didnt know wtf they was talking bout. i just knew i wanted to know bcuz it SOUNDED GOOD. and thats the thing about classic material. even if you cant understand or explain why the music is great at that moment, you still know it is bcuz your heart and mind is telling you that it is.
as for HAM and Paris, those types been out. thats the thing. whats hot. and you have to cater to what the radio wants. that is a must if you wanna move some records. but jey and ye took it as, “well, we’re just gonna out do you.” and they did. i was not fuckin wit HAM AT ALL when it dropped. i thought they was the old niggaz still rockin throwbacks. but when i heard the whole thing and thru HAM in the middle, that shit was a perfect blend. that was my intial reaction tho bcuz i was expecting soulful-the joy type shit coming off that MBDTF i was rockin wit at the moment. but ppl gotta realize when they’re being bias and step back and re-focus. instead of arguing their personal feelings as if they valid. which alot of these one-time commenters do.
but nothing new. in hiphop everyone picks different parts from eachother and trys to do it better. as hov did with nas’ flow with reasonable doubt(lets be real lol) and with young chris’ flow that hov used recently. nothing to be mad about or ashamed. just do it better. this is a COMPETITION. and HAM and Paris did with the sound that its crafted from.
@ actual/factual, yeah ima heavy dipset fan. so when i heard HAM i knew it was dope, but i’ve heard doper from camron and company.
@ Marty
And when I was talking about relating, I mean it’s because it’s Kanye & Jay it’s different. What you are saying are my sentiments exactly but for some reason people are picking out little things like not having a maybach or large amounts and all of a sudden you can’t relate, like where the fuck have you been the last 15 years? And it’s not kids buying the shit, it’s grown muafuckas with some knowledge of the musical landscape. Any luxurious trend that has been set in the past 10 years probably has come from Jay-Z, It’s beyond the skills, is like trying to take away from the product in ticky tack ways these days. I don’t know I just thought that shit was funny of what I’ve been hearing. If Wayne would’ve put out the this exact same album with same lyrics and production muafuckas would be talking about how he stepped his game up to another level and wouldn’t be no mentions of “luxury rap”.
marty mcfly how does jay-z dick tastes in your mouth?
@Actual I dont know but if people dont even wanna know about money and things of luxury then I guess they dont plan on ever having any. Money is nothing more then a tool its just other people that put more on it like status and power but if you dont respect money then you wont respect it even if you have alot of it.
Cosign @marty mcfly and @therealest and @actual/factual
lmao @ people who think the album has no substance. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it, i’m not blaming you for that. But please don’t blame it on the substance cuz that just makes me think you’ve only listened to the album one time or less.
“I’m Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Bob Backlund
Paul Akin, ha ha, who they think they car jackin
You dump and a dump, I slumped and I slump
They mad my car’s like an elephant, the trunk in the front
See ya dude react, Hud six threw me back, a few they clapped
But I ate those, them shits is Scooby Snacks
I ain’t see stars, I’m a G pa
Threw the Lam’ in 6th, Drove to the E.R.
Had to make it hot
Feel like Pac I know it’s set up
Them old niggaz know I’m bout to take they spot
Ain’t no “Ay, B! – i owe you?”
“why, B?” That’ll get ‘em up in I.C.U.
Like I see you at the BP, shot ‘em off G.P.
Guns from VA, PA, down to D.C.
D.O.A. if you short up on my P.C.
C-74 switched ‘em over to P.C.
Like Chuck D, we the ’06 P.E.
Fuck me? why? I’m in the ’06, G.T.
All about them G’s B, we the B.G.
Byrd Gang, Dipset, D.I.P., see
Like KRS-One, the great B.D.P.
You wanna join the crew, then you must see me, flee” – Cam’ron
Get Em Daddy remix
camron most underrated nigga in game by far. kanye has went on record saying that camron is his favorite rapper. would make sense, he made beats for him. its scary to think how big roc-a-fella could have been if they still had dipset and state property. smh. and its even scarier to think how the diplomats could have been if they continued that wave they had against jay. it was strong. made jay make a diss at jim jones of all ppl. cam was spittin too much fire. plus juelz still had a album to drop. and him and wayne was neck and neck at that time in history, and easily could have had the mainstream success that wayne has. or atleast be compeating for it. juelz did quite a few features as well during that whole 06-09 run just as wayne. and elz said he would have had more but contract issues kept him from it, so they gave em to wayne since they couldnt get juelz. and camron was a good business man. he was dame dash’s under-study. he on sold records. rap would look SO different if dipset was a top contender instead of ymcmb.
just sayin.
if you dont think dipset couldnt have been where ymcmb is just think about this. if you had the choice, would you buy “like father, like son” or a collab album from camron and juelz.
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yeah i thought so. thats how crazy hiphop has been. and thats why they say timing is everything. ppl wonder how wayne got cash money where it is. timing. during a small peak in time where jay was retired or semi, snoop was past his prime, em was falling off, ja rule was gone, only nigga making noise was 50, but he aint really talented. he relied on being real and when he got so rich that its not believable anymore, he is now gone.
so thats when wayne just went in. put out his best record carter II, had plenty of work from features, and gave out free work thru mixtapes that was all fire. and he rode that wave for as long as he could. drake extended it no homo. bcuz if he had to compete with drake instead of collaborate him, those commercial fans have gravitated towards drake. and wayne would have been ja ruled by 50 or gillie da kid or anybody. ja rule was better in terms of lyrics, street cred and commercial success (the nigga had a hit song with j-lo. and the back when puff still had j-lo. back when she was the beyonce of the game and puff was jay.)
ymcmb bascially stole they whole foundation from murder inc. baby was irv and wayne was ja. cept cash money was a watered down version past its prime as well. at that time they best shit was from juve and b.g.. but now cash money definitly more pop since then. they’ve realized thats where the money is at and they went in head first and never looked back.
Kendrick Fagmar & Wiz Wiz Khalifa & Krrun$y & Jah Cole are LAME. just because if Jay Z is. and if people like Jay Z has never made albums so today there was no kendrick fagmar or Jah Cole or anymore dicks for you to play with. grow up then and listen grown man muzix.
Jah Cole or Fagmar is for children its not suitable for you. Lesson First. didchu learn?
@marty mcfly
Hey nigger, I call niggers “nigger” to their face and they don’t do shit to me. It’s what happens when you kick their sorry ass for stealing their mother’s welfare checks to get a fresh new pair of nigger-kicks. So shut the fuck up with your Jay-Z dickriding bullshit and do us all a favor and lynch yourself the way that the superior race did to your dumbfuck kind in the past.
datruth is the fake internet-gangster of the night.
@DaTruth just so you know , most people on welfare are white. LOL
Lemme break it down for y’all niggaz real quick. HAM is NOT influential/innovating AT ALL. Bump a random old AraabMUZIK beat and you’ll get your opera sounding beat. Niggas In Paris is dope, nothing classic though. And Who Gon Stop Me…that’s just stolen from the UK Dubstep, and let me tell you thi Kanye and Jay CAN’T kill a dubstep beat. Watch The Throne isn’t a classic just ’cause it got 2 big names. Distant Relatives is WAY better.
I didn’t have a problem with WTT myself I thought it was pretty well put together sure there are songs I don’t fuck with but that’s true most of the time when it comes to mainstream shit I was actually pleasantly surprised when I heard it niggas is talking bout the album lacking substance… the fuck? what is murder to excellence? what is made in america people stay talking bout how they don’t lke all the braggadocio in rap but they stay supporting it. they ignore songs like those in order to focus on shit like niggas in paris and then bitch about it fuck outta here with that bullshit. my point is could it be better yeah could it be worse obviously but don’t try to say it’s void of substance because it has plenty niggas is just overlooking it ON PURPOSE.
LMAO niggas had a long ass argument about this shit. That shit went on for 4 hours.
@ the realest you just summed it all up for me thanks a lot & yeah your right I thought I was gonna get more of the Kanye style artwork on the WTT album more artifacts or just paintings that represented Paris but now that you explained it so clearly I get it now!