The Friday Hip Hop Report Lounge crew discuss J. Cole’s career, why hasn’t he blown yet, his latest song “Work Out” and the entire strategy behind his marketing.
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This is REALLY DOPE. The whole conversation.
they have some very good points
The thing is J. Cole is taking it back to how things were done. As a matter of fact, that’s the method that Jay-Z modeled roc nation after – the way labels used to things and give the artist more control over their work. While I agree that J. Cole should be more ‘open’ about his album news and what’s going on with it I do believe he should have the freedom to make his album the way he wants it to be done. The label has no business in interfering in an artist’s choice of beats or hooks.. but I guess that’s accepted nowadays with how the industry works. Art is art, keep the politics away from it.. The waiting and lack of news sucks but it’s a new era of leaks and instant gratification, it’s just different. It doesn’t make it a bad thing either.. I think we’re in for a treat with this debut and all its waiting..
They don’t mention the Jay Z effect. Jay signs an artist and if its a rapper other than an occasional guest verse you never would know Jay has anything to do with em… How many rappers under Jay other than Kanye really BLEW up?…. How many rappers had their projects delayed till we didnt care under JAy?
wiz khalifa & big sean & even drake do not have a good chance of being around in 10years… j. cole is going slow he said so himself he wants the attention and mainstream appeal but in time the only way u get it right away is when u change ur craft… everyone has already bitched bout wiz sean drake saying they changed j. cole hasnt he wants the fame as it progresses all things come in time… j. cole is looking at his legacy in 10 years not a platinum plaque off the first album… it took reasonable dought like 7years to go platinum give it time… also bout the feature thing seriously everyone bitches bout why he got so many features thank god cole aint doing that. u act like he sounds horrendous when he sings his hooks like wtf get off him. when he does the hooks u hear the passion and the pain in his struggle to make it.
J Cole is just boring, plain and simple. “Blow Up” was nice, his Warm Up tape was nice, but let’s be real. He’s a blog rapper. Kendrick Lamarr has more potential to go the distance and they’re essentially in the same lane content wise. Let J Cole go independent with the type of music that he makes, ’cause that 360 deal he got is real.
I still say that “Coming Home” song should’ve been his and not Dirty Money’s. If THAT was his single, there would be no conversations.
I think Jay is the type of person that says look ill help you if you ask me too but im gonna give you complete control over your own life. So if you do a good job thats great but if you fuck up and dont holla at me then im gonna let you learn from your mistakes so that you come back stronger then before. There is alot of rappers and singers and producers that should be thanking Jayz for their first platinum plaque. Why J cole is doing his own beats when he has access to Just Blaze and Kanye and 9th wonder I dont know but honestly Cole is in a position that even if he fails , he still wins in the long run because we all know who he is and Jayz is not gonna drop him if he doesnt go platinum.
You know whats funny? I actually agree with most of this..
They make some really REALLY valid points about Cole. He needs to stop thinkin that he can do this album by himself, step back, and get other people to collaborate with him. Cole also has to stop going over his own beats once in a while because it does get a bit boring. Like they said, at this point in his career (even though Work Out is kind of a dope single) Jay-Z needs to seriously help this dude. J Cole, this is coming from a big fan…you can’t do everything by yourself. Sometimes we all need a little help.
Why isn’t Work Out on iTunes? Where’s the marketing team?
Cole is overated as fuck. One dimensional rapper, boring as fuck. Dude has an hidden ego, wants no features, no outside producers but wants to catch the attention of mainstream. Not with those boring ass beats, and with those lazy ass hooks. Like what the people in the video said, this dude doesnt give a fuck about promotion. He expects everything to come to him. More hyped about Take Care then his debut tbh, and i dont see cole being relevant in 10 years.
this is the realest talk ive ever heard on j.cole. the dick riding just reached such absurd levels that everbody who wasnt sucking his dick was called a hater. It just got sad.
truth is cole is in trouble. worried about him but still wish him luck. I’m just glad people are finally getting off this 2nd coming of nas shit… its not right. i always laughed when people try to compare him to the bigger rappers, let alone the fucking legends. he’s not even on wiz level at the moment. Too much mystery for an artist with no album. Why would you not tell anyone the name of your fucking album for a year only to reveal it at the bottom of the ninth and its exactly what people said it was? How else are you going to generate interest? C’mon cole. You should have told people your single and album title months in advance… not just everytime drake dropped a new record.
this whole convo is dumb, they’re over analyzing j. cole and his situation. hes putting out dope music, thats all, why should we care about anything else.
19 thumbs down = glad the dickriders are finally being flushed out.
Hmmm… extremely valid. I think J. Cole could definitely use some different production besides just his own. Even if he did do a Kanye and Co-produce with a TON of people and get a few good guests, he would be set. He just needs to mingle and vibe with a few more people.
@matt agreed but they wouldnt be having this conversation if people didnt set these ridiculous expectations about j.cole. People have hyped him up so bad that its harder not to review his work like this.
TURN THE LIGHTS DOWN, AND TURN YA HEADPHONES UP.
MY BOMB IS ON. LET’S GO.
J. COLE IS DOING DAMAGING TO HIS OWN CAREER. HE HAS COMPLETE CREATIVE CONTROL BUT IS MAD BECAUSE THE LABEL (I.E. JAY Z) IS TRYING TO PUSH THE KID TO DO SOMETHING MORE ACCEPTABLE ON THE MAINSTREAM LEVEL.
SO, COLE LASHES OUT LIKE A KID WITH A TANTRUM, PRODUCING THE HOT GARBAGE KNOWN AS WORK OUT.
HE NEEDS TO CALL MINISTER FARAKHAN AND CANABIS, AND LEARN WHAT HAPPENS TO AN HARDCORE ARTIST.
A HARDCORE ARTIST CAN RAPS CIRCLES, BUT CAN HE CREATE A SONG.
A HARDCORE ARTIST CAN DROP KNOWLEDGE, BUT CAN HE MAKE YOU THINK.
A HARDCORE ARTIST CAN COME RAW AND UNCENSORED, BUT CAN HE TRANSCEND HIS GENRE.
COLE NEEDS TO LIGHTEN AND SMARTEN UP. HE NEEDS TO BRING THAT LIGHTS PLEASE FIRE, THAT LOSING MY BALANCE EASE, THAT CREATIVE AND UNIQUE DREAMS STORYTELLING, THAT LADIES FUN, THAT SMOOTH GET UP, AND THEN HIT EM WITH THAT HEARTACHE.
I LIKE COLE BUT HE’S FALLING APART.
THIS IS NOT A LABEL OR JAY Z PROBLEM. THE KID JUST DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE PRESSURE.
Music (even Hip Hop, hahaha) is art. It’s not about having a buzz or move major units. Jermaine is trying to create a classic album, which he is capable of, no doubt about that. Cut that boy some slack.
cole has lost hella buzz but im still a cole an so cole
coleworrld!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cole’s buzz is primarily on the internet which WONT translate to sales. Joe Budden has a big ass internt fanbase and cant even sell more that 10000 copies. Posting tweets wont get Work Out on the radio. He needs to get his ass out of the studio and promote his shit. Who outside of the online world knows that his album is coming out September 27 ? Im a big fan of cole but it seems as hes cocky and arrogant in the inside and wants to do everything by himself. Work Out is horrendus, throw Drake on a hook or feature and you got a radio single.
people, realize this situation comes down to 1 thing… promotion… that’s it, nothing more nothing less… i’m confused if j. cole is even a mainstream artist or not… because if he is, then why isn’t he being pushed like one… like a big sean or wiz khalifa, like they mentioned… and don’t say it’s because of his music… we all know that these dumbed down fans will accept anything, and i mean anything, if you play it on the radio 100 times a day… the music is there, the album is going to be great… it’s whether or not the higher power, jay-z in this case, wants the masses to hear it or not.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
Work out was underwhelming, but fits right in with what you hear on the radio right now. It will get shutterbug love imo.
I reckon Higher would have been his single but he is in that Dr Dre state of mind where if it leaks it’s no good.
You hear cole’s mixtapes, individual song releases and leaks e.g. lost one’s. Cole is doing fine.
JayElec on the other hand…
I personally think he should open up, get some producers, and maybe touch up on his work. Big Seans album isn’t so bad.. Yeah it has some hit singles, but at least they are listenable and still has personality. J. Coles problem is that he can’t seem to hit that explosive level that his peers have already met. Of course my friends know who J. Cole is, but the girls are bumping Marvin Gaye and Chardenay. Didn’t J. Cole say that he was working with NO I.D.????????? Like, wtf?! Where is that? I’ve been patiently waiting, but now its getting bad. Especially for Cole.. Where’s Hov at?
stfu about how he needs to get beats from the label and make a single that way.. he makes music the original way.
I agree with Meka on everything. I think Cole needs a better team around him that can tell him “This ain’t it.” Cole should be looking to work with other producers, even if he gets the co-credits. Listen to that song “Let It Go” feat. J.Cole, and picture the song with 3 Cole verses and the hook sung by the same dude even. Could have gotten Drake, and made it a street single. If he made a song like that as his first single, I’m sure it would have been better than “Work Out”. I like the song, but it is NOT a song I would expect from J.Cole. He NEEDS outside production, shit No I.D. is the best man for the job. Look what he did with Big Sean!
C’Mon Cole. We all know you can do better.
How hard you willing to work?
In all respect David, I’m 65% sure that No I.D. didn’t produce MGC. I do agree that he needs those kind of beats though. I mean, damn Cole. Don’t you fuck with XV and B.o.B? I’m sure Vizzy can hook you up with a Seven beat and Bobby Ray has been known to be a beast with his beats. C’mon Cole, the fans don’t wanna see your career 6 feet under!
Maybe the nigga just ain’t as hot as everyone wants to believe? All of his singles have been pretty much throwaway boring tracks. Half of his tapes aren’t memorable.
I do enjoy his production but lately it seems his MCing has fallen off a step or two.
I dont give a fuck about what anyone says about j cole. if the dude makes good music im gonna listen to it and buy the shit…if he doesnt sell well hes not gonna just stop making music, every knows hes capable with coming out with some fire. i really dont care if he sells a lot, i just wanna hear the music.
you know jay-z give cole enough promotion for his album to reach the masses… we all know cole is gonna hit us with a fresh hip hop album, no pop shxt… but the label won’t push that to the fans because then that will be bring back a hip hop sound to the game… sorry to say it but looks like j. cole is going to the next joe budden, a rapper who could of changed the game and took the torch as the face of hip hop… thanks to jay-z, it won’t happen… thanks jay, thanks
“Maybe the nigga just ain’t as hot as everyone wants to believe?”
Agree, without hating. I told my peeps he’s got talent but for whatever reason, I don’t come back to his music. I listen maybe 3 times and I’m done..
How did one single put his whole career on the edge of being 6 ft. under. I mean its not great I agree. But I still see him being around longer than Wiz. He does in fact need a team. A team to lead him the right way. Jay Z need to be J. Cole’s Damon Dash. It gotta thunder before you see rainbows. Cole World
although they made some valid points, how are they gonna talk about the album and not mention how amazing lost ones was? maybe it was leaked when they did this interview, because if thats any sign of what to expect on the album its gonna be a game changer
When Drake dropped So Far Gone, there wasnt any backlash from anyone. Over and find your love get released as singles everyone on here goes buzzurk but Drake still maintained to sell a decent amount. I feel as if cole is in the same postion, only thing different is he will deliver a classic. Something close to illmatic no sarcasm.
No he didnt produce that song. Point is, he needs to expand on his work. Think about it.. What if his first single was with Boi-1da or The Justice League? What if Kanye co-produced Work Out? Much different story now would it.. And the rest of his album can have solely Cole and No I.D. Maybe a Just Blaze joint if hes lucky, and maybe a verse from Hov. Shit, thrown on Jay Electronica if he can.
It would be terrible to see him fall. Just one last push, and I think he would be set.
@polo
I agree. Its like Work Out just made people forget about Lost Ones. Return of Simba. Nothing Like It. FNL. I mean he is talented. Just need a team or we’ll never see an album
Drake this and drake that, cole is his own man stop with the damn comparisons. Everything is find but his promotion is off. Jay need to get off them islands with bey and start promoting his biggest artist.
This nigga is ba one trick pony,and that shit is cool in the mainstream but this nigga isn’t EVEN interesting with it, its like he doesn’t even want niggas to listen agaian , bottom line is the majority of people know him from”in the mornin” and that buzz has long since been squandered …aight you can rap, now make an ORIGINAL,MEMORABLE song
i def agree with everything they’re saying. u just get the sense that j cole is overthinking his lane and his image at this point and that maybe he overthought his album from the start. a feature on a hook or a verse is not a bad thing as long as it doesnt overshadow your direction for an album and conveys the tone you want from your project. i just think cole got too caught up doing all of his own production like kanye and all of his own album with no features like illmatic and along the way he forgot who j cole was. whens the last time cole dropped a song like simba where u see that hunger and that fire? hes just trying way to hard at this point, he needs to go back to having a good time and being creative with his music
People think its all about promotion or real hip hop vs commercial hip hop or dope lyrics and drake hooks or Jayz doing more for Cole after putting him on numerous tours and giving him more chances then ive ever seen a artist get. THE GAME IS ABOUT MAKING DOPE SONGS PERIOD. You could have all the promotion and connections and lyrics in the world but If your music doesnt penetrate the culture you wont matter to the masses. Jayz has always giving people both sides of the coin which is real hip hop and commercial radio music. Cole is just now learning that. Jay makes music that everybody likes from Hip hop heads to girls to lil kids to old people to young people to people that dont even like rap. Most of the new artists just create music for one or two types of listeners. Jayz delivers complicated lyrics but still makes sure that a 5 year old can sing along with the hook and thats why he is who he is. Cole is ok but he just doesnt understand MUSICAL BALANCE – GOOGLE IT.
to be honest I think J. Cole is in the same boat that Wale was in with Attention Deficit. Now look at Wale. Wale and Cole would be around wayyy longer than Wiz.good points though.
I still think the album is gonna be incredible. hes been working on it for 2+ years with allthe work this guy does in the studio im pretty sure he put together 15 songs that are gonna be increible. i think work out was a pretty recent recording and was reaching for something different as far as singles go. Once his DanjaHandz Trey Songz single drops i think THAT will be the song that makes J. Cole BLOW UP.. and luckily that will be right before the album. 150k first week or die trying.
You fucking Cole stans are annoying! Cole’s album will be a classic? The fact that a song like “Work Out” is on the album automatically disqualifies it from being a classic! Do you little niggas know what classic hip hop albums sound like? They sound NOTHING like the bullshit Cole has released. Go listen to Illmatic and then listen to “Work Out” then come back and tell me he is creating a classic. Fucking internet faggots.
F the haters, i ain’t a j cole stan, but he’s def way talented, Ya’ll are over analyzing the situation. Work Out wasn’t his best, yeah, but its still 10x better than Wiz Black & Yellow and Big Sean I Do It. Calmn down. I’m still confident he can get the buzz going, dude didn’t even release Lost Ones, and its a trending topic on Twitter, he got a track with Trey Songz that will definitely have mainstream potential. And F the drake Comparisons, Wayne brought Drake into the game, and got him that buzz to start out with Ransom and Every Girl, Jay ain’t doin that for Cole.
Cole fell the fuck off and A LOT of rappers have left him in their dust. Cole is borderline done as far as his career goes. The only reason why he isn’t getting promoted by his label is because the quality of his music sucks. If you were his label would you waste tons of money promoting “Work Out”? I would also like to point out that his label has heard the WHOLE album since he already turned it into them. If his album was so classic don’t you think his label would be marketing his album everywhere? Why do you think they’re not? I will tell you, the album SUCKS! Mark my words HE WILL GET DROPPED FROM HIS LABEL AFTER THEY RELEASE THIS ALBUM. He signed a 1 album deal and they’re just honoring it. His label doesn’t believe in him and neither does Jay. Jay believed in Kanye and he basically sucked Kanye’s dick in every interview talking about him. When is the last time you heard Jay mention Cole? I’ll wait! You Cole stans need to get off his nuts and find a new idol. This same time next year Cole will be an independent artist and his career will be in purgatory. Now go ahead and call me a hater you fucking faggots. I just gave you an honest breakdown of what’s really going on. When his album leaks and you say to yourself “what the fuck is this” then you will no why his label didn’t promote his album. ADIOS!
Cole is like Nipsey Hussle..He’s got mixtape fame and a huge fan base but NO ALBUM and both of they’re singles (Work Out & Feelin’ Myself) are not the best choices for a debut single.
I believe the album actually is coming out September 27, and wouldnt be surprised if we get a damn good single in the next couple weeks. Love Cole, but the dude does need to open up a littler. He can be as secretive as he once, but shit is still going to leak. What happened to the ustream he was going to do with the album title? All we get is a tweet? How about releasing a dope ass album artwork? But still..
COLE WORLD CLASSSIC ON THE WAY
WhoEver said “workout” was better than ” I do it” throw in the towel,call it quits at life nigga
@Shawnte , Jay put him on BP3 which was a big album and he titled the song A STAR IS BORN and then signed him himself. If thats not helping a new nigga then he just cant be helped. Tell me this , what do you think the kids want to hear more? Lost ones , Work out or Big Seans My Last and So much More? Musically Big Sean made better choices. Whats better – Return of Simba or Drakes Over? In The Morning or Black N Yellow? This shit is simple , J cole makes good records but not great ones and nobodies hating but its been a long enough time for Cole to be the number one artist in the game by now and were still waiting. If his album turns out to be MUSICALLY better then Thank Me Later ill be surprised.
why didnt he just make “in the morning” his single the hook is sick has the big ft. as drake i mean what else do u want
LMAO WOW
“Rhyming over your own beat is like taking a test that you wrote.”
I like that shit.
@Rezo
coles career is done before even releasing an album? are you fuckin drunk. first of all his album is gonna sell a lot more than ur simple mind may think. and jay would never in a million years drop Cole from roc nation. first of all cole would get signed the next fuckin day and if he drops cole he has umm Jay Elect who is a ghost and willow smith of his label? fuck outta here nigga
I dont think they were hating at all..seems to me like they truly believe dude is hella talented and want to see homie succeed.
what you lames dont realize if the music industry doesnt revolve around ur negative troll comments. the fact is cole is on jay z label and just got a release date for his album. why arent they promoting it? cuz it comes out in september moron. he jus releaed the title and release date last week. i cant wait for this album to drop, sell 150 k first week and gain at least 2 grammy nominations, you trolls will be in you rooms crying and posting j. cole hate on every post on 2 dopeboyz
SMH at the people blaming Jay.
Let’s just look at the promotion J. Cole is getting for a second and i’m speaking for real. All this without an album.
On a track from BP3 named a star is born
On tour with Jay-Z
Opening of home and home tour at the fucking yankee stadium the nigga was on stage as long as bob who already had an album out and two number 1 hits
On tour with Drake
On tour with Rihanna
The aborted soundtrack of NBA Elite
The ESPN commercial
The dude has at least two interviews every week just check his fansite
If he fails that’s his fault what more do you wanna to somebody, kanye never got all this he couldn’t even perform at the fade to black show.
I’m starting to hate j. cole because of his stans when i liked in the first place…
I’m starting to hate j. cole because of his stans despite the fact that i liked him the first place…
big sean had chris brown on a hook, and now ye and roscoe dash.
wiz had a crazy beat from stargate (already big-hit producers) with black and yellow
b.o.b. had bruno mars and paramore singing on his shit.
it’s been said by 90% of the csection – cole can’t do it himself. the dude needs buzz outside of 2dbz and nahright and shit. it’s a shame that he won’t blow up cuz of that. dude’s real.
I agree with David, Cole needs better music choices. A producer can pick the right names to fit onto an album (or each track for that matter), Work Out did not sound like it should be a Cole single. Who Dat was a better sound for a single, and that was his best choice at the time. Lil Wayne doesnt have to sing to make a track hit the charts, look at “A Milli” and “6’7″”. No lie, Lil Wayne does more lyrical work than most other rappers do. If J.Cole signed to Def Jam he would never have dropped (imo). Atlantic would have at least made better song selections for his single, and forced the album (bad idea). RocNation seems like its giving him TOO much freedom, and he needs Just Blaze in his life (ex-prod. for album). I think JB will be able to help his career on the song selection side. No lie.
and its not even like he has to collab with big artists (which most hip hop heads would attribute to selling out). throw someone like frank ocean or the weeknd or adele on one of his hooks and ppl would be gushing over this dudes songs. if he just threw some complex production and a soulful songbird on these tracks he’d already be all over the radio. idk how thousands of uneducated dumbasses with no musical experience can realize this while cole is probably wondering wat he’s missin right now. he’s overthinkin shit way too much, if it sounds good, it sells. u can make shit deep, make it a club banger, say watever the fuck you want on a record…if it sounds good it sells, point blank, wake up cole
I wanna punch j. cole stans in the fucking face.
If Cole doesn’t get his shit together, he’ll be the 2011 Memphis Bleek.
some comments i co-sign, some i don’t, some i fucks w/ parts of…
i like @black snow’s comment
but anyways, i think cole needs to step back… reflect and re-listen to ‘the come up’ and the ‘the warm up’ and realize what made those projects replayable… imo, i think it’s the fact that he was making music that made him happy in who he represented himself to be as an artist. i consider myself a fan and i find his MOST replayable material to be from those projects. ‘return of simba’ is another one for me as of recent times, but i can’t think of too many others
what ever vibe, zone, or mind set he was in when making those 2 projects and what ever people he had in the process and where ever he was at (maybe literally taking it back to recording the way he previously did, using some less flashy studios and getting in a past time comfort zone) is going to be where he’ll RE-discover himself as an artist. i believe he’s grown a lot through out this process, but through his first bout going through label politics and the ‘hip hop industry’ game he lost a little of himself mentally. no, i’m not saying he’s become fake, i feel like he’s probably been trying to please or appease to too many other niggas.
i think he needs to shoot some of the faggot ass yes-men in his crew if he has any and get some people who ARE NOT afraid to be VERY critical about his music but still make productive comments about what he’s doing right.
OH YEAH and with the ‘radio-single’ geared shit. look. ‘in the morning’ was clearly the ‘mixtape-prepped-to-be-radio-single’ off Friday Night Lights. nowadays, it seems like artists have been trying to make them and even if they haven’t been, most mixtapes have ‘that’ song. kush & OJ had ‘up’, ‘still blazin’, ‘good dank’. So far gone had ‘best i ever had’, ‘successful’, and if he had to make an actual 3rd single, i think it would have been ‘uptown’.
HOWEVER, people fail to realize that a lot (but not all) of radio singles BECOME radio singles in the process of them being on the radio. this is typically how the street radio single comes about, because people will grasp the ‘traditional’ method of making a radio song, that stale ass bland fuck boy ass formula, but in the street single, people actually hear it, grasp the song, then it grows organically via word of mouth and then the radio spins dramatically increase.
p.s. if j. cole wants to truly surprise us all on a radio single, make something HARD AS FUCK.
NOT hard in the sense of ‘super lyrical, wordplay, mr. rappity rap technical’ ass. nah nigga.
HARD as in street gritty and in touch with the streets, like french montana street gritty but with j. cole’s unique sense of story telling and in his own honest perspective, because we will all fall out of chairs laughing if this nigga says he’s toting guns, but he needs to cross over his candid views of the hood w/ the actual experiences.
im out 1
i think j cole may hav been a little too overjoyed at signing with Jay
he was caught up in the “im the first one on his new label, im boutta be his new protege” he felt he was gonna be another rapping/producer under Jay (yeezy)
which truthfully he couldve been, but yeezy understood that yea my shits good, but it can be better
and he wasnt opposed to some help, j cole wants the did it on his own i dont owe anyone anything feeling
which is cool, but if ur gonna go for it all like that and do it all on ur own
u gotta stop playin on records, u gotta make some shit that will rlly fuck the competition up
cuz wiz n sean r wayyyy past him now and for him to tryda catch up will be somethin to watch
basically now his album is really gonna be a deciding factor on whether this guy is an artist here to stay and make classics like people expect, or another Roc affiliate to fade away
As long as the album is good, why bitch and worry about a single?…i never heard My last or I do it on the radio…shit curren$y is non existent mainstream wise but both albums go hard…from the looks of it, he’s trying to get buzz his own way since he went from who dat to work out but it’s about learning and growth as an artist and businessman…work out isn’t horrible but it’s not a booming single like everyone wants and hopes for…on Self Made, he showed he still got bars and hunger so i thought that would quiet doubters but guess not lol…it’s just a single…want him to have a soulja boy career?…didn’t think so
J. Cole=Papoose mark my mahfuckin words
since when it is absolutely fucking necessary to become “mainstream” hip hop originated from the dirt, the streets, no fame just people spittin straight kill an whoever spit the craziest an smartest was considered the best. i brushed j cole off at first, thought nothing of him. gave him another listen, dont care what anyone thinks this dude is deep, he has excellent word play, very smart. whether or not this dude blows up in the eyes of the “mainstream” does not prove his worth. just listen and digest his content. one of the few new legit cats spittin fire. and on top of that he is workin double producin all or most his tracks, you can look at that as selfish not wanting anyone else gettin credit off his shit, or you can look at it like damn this dude works his ass off.. like i said whether he blows up or not he is making a mark in the game an stayin in his lane. in the end there are always gunna be people like in the video, pickin apart everything people do, im sure they dont know j cole personally (i dont) and what he is trying to accomplish. people talkin that noise about “he is too independant, needs this promotion this producer this this and that” fuck all that, Curren$y is a good example of stayin in your lane until they pull they heads out the sand and realize that theres somethin there.
conspiracy? WHAT FUCKIN’ CONSPIRACY???? the reason why this debate is goin’ on now is because you people, YES… YOU PEOPLE! yall over hyped that nigga because one: the jay-z story, two: Jay put him on Rocnation and three: Jay co-signed him on the blueprint 3. after that, Paula Abdul was smelling himself too much. he thought the creativity was gonna come naturally for him. guess what? the shit blew up in his face. he was eating up all the praises and walked around with the “most anticipated album” tag for four years. the nigga was basically on a interview tour throughout his career. the college tour was basically where he peaked. he had that crowd eating from his hands with his student loan rhymes, the decision on dropping the album back then would of benefited him today, he should of been working on releasing his second album right about now. the blame can’t be placed on his management or his team of advisers, it’s him. he lacks creativity and lacks originality. the delay of his album release had shit to do because of stubbornness or creative control. his beats are horrible and they compliment his horrible delivery. his subject matter are repetitive and he should be placed on a 30 days community service for his song structures. I never witnessed an artist go through so many multiple paths of identity struggle and not have one album out. the stupidity of this whole mess is crazy. Paula Abdul and his team knows the severity in how drastic the music world changes by the day. they let other new artists come in the game and drop first albums before you do it, and they signed contracts years after you. PAULA ABDUL YOU PAPOOSED YOURSELF!!!!!
haha papoose
but honestly i think J. Cole is too caught up in being signed to Jay-z
he thinks being affiliated with Jay is enough to make him blow but its not, at all
But J. Cole is gonna stay there because he feels RocNation is the label of right now and with Jay heading it he should be alright
he honestly should think of leaving the label, before he gets dropped or he decideds to leave but only after losing all buzz
right now, if J. Cole leaves RocNation, his phone will ring off the hook with other offers
but 3 maybe 4 months from now of these “ok” singles and the album being pushed further n further back,,,labels will lose interest and he’ll be a goner
i mean look at Wale, Wale took his talents to MMG, and he’s doing better than ever, getting much more push, getting much better beats
Jay-Z is just a name, RocNation as a label isnt doing what they need to at all for J. Cole and the sooner he realizes that the better
I think Return Of Simba was one of the dopest songs I heard this year by anyone.
Work Out was abit of a mixtape track imo, but at least he aint got some Bruno Mars BS single..His album will be a ‘RAP’ classic,
So wait he needs other producers when about half of his album is not produced by him?
Producers
Elite (Co-production)
No I.D (Has 3 songs on the album)
Danja (Producer of his next single that may feature Trey Songz)
Brian Kidd (Producer of his next single after that Danja one)
Shea Taylor (Producer of Beyonce’s latest single
Cole works with other people but these niggas that leak his songs always leak incomplete album cuts produced by him that he made 2-3 years ago even (Lost Ones). Why aint these niggas leaking the Pharrel produced songs he has, why aint nobody dropping some of the songs he worked with Dnaja Handz or even Chase and Chase?? The nigga was even in the studio with Jim Jonsin again after their song leaked working on his album.
that nigga said papoose…LOL…he signed to flipmode and everyone knows you will never drop under busta rhymes…besides dude been holding down remy…family first…horrible comparison as well
i wonder jay-z would of never signed him…hype/standards wouldn’t exist…clowns
Is it possible that the rest of Cole World is so fucking raw that the only cut that could be considered a “single” and generate any kind of radio presence was “Work Out?” To be honest the song isn’t the end of the world, and the sampling is fucking dope. I think the 2DopeBoyz Comment Section AKA Stans v. Haters, should all chill the fuck out and wait until Sept. 27th (or the leak) to pass judgement on J. Cole’s album. We haven’t heard it yet, how can you compare J. Cole to Papoose (insane) or J. Cole to 1994 Nas (Ludicrous!) Go look at the reviews for Illmatic, when that album dropped, when I was still scared of the dark, they weren’t the greatest reviews ever, because album are like wine not bread. The hate, disappointment, etc. is completely unwarranted for me. But so it the notion that J. Cole is the heir-apparent to all things great in hip-hop. In order to make money (which let’s be honest is the whole bloody point here) artists may have to cheat into the Underground Hip-Hip mine field- the radio. If J. Cole can muster any support for his album with a song that gets a few spins on the radio, more power to him, but the haters will still hate, the Stans will still buy the album, or illegally download it (which defeats the purpose a bit?) So the battle for making money is waged in/on the radio, MTV, BET & VH1, people who aren’t on blogs and keeping up to date with all things rap, people who go “I like that beat, I’ll look it up on iTunes- point, click, $1.99″ Let’s let J. Cole make some money and hope that he stays a bit on the Come Up, Warm Up, Friday Night Lights tip with the other 13 (12, I cheated on “Lost Ones,” which nobody seems to be talking about, idiots!) songs nobody has fucking heard yet.
“Expectation is the root of all heartache” ~Wllm Shkspr
fuck what all yall talkin about. hatin ass fools. they dont know shit. and who ever believe that shit they sayin dont know shit. cole world nigga!
@grimzz ur over thinking the comp3ison my nigga, I meant that when I was younger everyone was on Ppooses nuts just like J cole,he was supposed to. Be “the next up” or “kthe savior of hip hop”or whatever but the hype never turned into anything real now he’s makin wakin radio party sonGs “workout” style
Did someone just say work out is better than I do it? WHAT THE FUCK. I am legit angry right now
low key can say he aint hating all he wants but he is. When you start letting one thing you say apply to 1 artist and not the other you’re hating. now he did have some valid points at the beginning but as it went on it turned to hating. I’m not going to say everything Cole has put out is good because its not. Sounds like some of the blame needs to go on whoever is in charge of his project if everyone has a problem with it. You mean to tell me when the album drops almost all the credits are gonna say jermaine. Get the fuck outta here. Also they mention all the “success” other people from the freshman 10 are having, lets revisit this like and old nfl or nba draft.
J. Cole – great mixtapes, great features, most people dont like the new single (i’m 30 and listened to everything growing up in the 80′s and 90′s so i dont mind it)
Pill – ok dennnn!!! thats what he is to me ok. I’ve heard some alright features from him, ross is trying to put him on, definitely wouldn’t say hes ahead of cole.
Nippsey Hussle – ok songs here and there, any info on an album? Couldnt tell u anything else about where his career stands. not ahead of cole.
Wiz Khalifa – Wiz is cool and has had great success. I would say ahead of cole in career success at this point.
oj da juice man – dont come here with that fuck shit.
freddie gibbs – i like gibbs a lot. great mixtapes, just got signed to an artist who cant even get his shit together right now, and an artist who has not had 1 person have success of his label. Hopefully Gibbs will be the first. Wouldn’t say hes ahead of cole.
big sean – i personally think big seans album is much better than what i expected. i guess hes doing it big right now according to low key. i’m not sure what tour he’s on, his album is dropping after being signed much longer than j.cole and is in a great situation as kanye is about the most hands on artist/label owner there is. i would say hes slightly ahead of cole until cole’s album drops, which at that time will see who ends up ahead of who.
jay rock – he’s my least favorite of his whole click, havent heard anything to make me think he’s better than cole or having more success.
fashawn – great mixtapes, couldnt tell you the first thing about an album from him, what his next move is or anything that would in the near future put him ahead of cole.
donnis – havent really listened to him, havent heard anything about a debut album or his big single. wouldnt say people are anticipating him more than cole. i would also put his success behind cole.
so to recap i got cole ahead of 7 of the other 9 with 1 possibly within reach. these motherfuckers should have had an intervention about Jeezy and the TM103 problems, but they wont do that because they wont take the chance on the snowman and his people seeing them. this is just my opinion and cole has already proved enough to me with his past material that i’ll be buying his album when it drops. as budden said on mm4 “shout to all my fans glad i can inspire ya’ll, gotta couple haters, still trying to acquire more”
looks like cole has done a good job of that
j cole album won’t be a classic and this is coming from a j cole fan.
As long as the album’s dope, who gives a FUCK?!? Y’all sound like a bunch of bitches with this bullshit
You dudes need to SHUT THE FUCK UP with this classic shit. Wait till the Album comes out then when it does come out Listen to then wait 10 years then look back on the album and YOU decide if its classic and still holds up against the test of time.
First off, I don’t think people were trying to blame Jay business wise, as he’s done everything for cole with the Tour spots, interviews, etc. but I mean I could see where people are coming from when they say that Jay has to be more involved musically in J. Cole’s career, this was the first rapper he signed, and he’s done how many songs with cole? 1, a Star is Born, not a single, and Cole said himself, Jay kept 3 verses on there for himself, People say Wayne did so much more for Drake musically and his other artists, look at Cory Gunz, first single off Carter 4, and he gets a major feature, Jay ain’t doing that for Cole right now, when Drake came out he had the Wayne cosign, but also musical support, Ransom, Every Girl, features on mixtapes, and its not necessarily blaming Jay by saying that it wouldn’t hurt for him to be a little more involved musically in J. Cole’s career
Big Sean is dope, but I can honestly say Lost Ones by Cole is > than all the tracks on Finally Famous, except maybe Memories with John Legend, and a lot of Cole’s commercial tracks, (workout, in the morning, higher) are way better than some of the stuff I’ve heard on Big Sean’s album, and don’t even compare Cole to that sellout Khalifa, almost every track on Rolling Papers was tryna be geared for the radio, but the fact is, Cole can’t get too deep on his singles, Lights Please was a deep track, but not one that got him commercial success, people have to understand that
This how I feel. We really cant say nothing until the album drop, but looking at the the situation Now, J Cole is a BLOG rapper. Work Out is not working for alot of his fans because we know his potential to do better. J cole need to change his production and work with other producers. J cole also needs a A.R. and a better team to seek and know whats best for him in the mainstream because he too into himself right now and his sounds are getting old.
Just like I said in my past comments he played his cards wrong and now he gotta paid the price. J Cole got that Lebron factor lol and hopefully his second single outshine his first with a professional singer on the hook. I agree, he should of kept “Im Coming Home” because that would of really got his foot in the door to being mainstream. Work Out is a waste of money to be pushed in my opinion
“he should be up there with sean and wiz”…. WTF j cole is soo much better. fuck this video, they have good points but its ALWAYS been the label to handle promotion and marketing. So, they should be rippin on roc nation and not j cole…. my 2 cents
@ DEE I agree with everything you said. Jay Z got to get more in involve musically with Cole career like Wayne with drake’s.
Deep subject Matter doesnt automatically make a rapper better then everyone else and just because someone leans more to the underground doesnt mean they are better then the mainstream rappers. Hip hop as a culture and has an artform has paid its dues. Hip hop doesnt deserve to be under- the- ground. Ice cube , Public Enemy , 2pac , Biggie and Jayz did not put in work for all those years for the new rappers to come in and say lets keep this shit underground so the masses wont hear it. Being a mainstream artist is not disrespecting the culture , its expanding it and making sure we are respected as an artform. Some mainstream music is corny but there are hip hop legends that were mainstream their whole career that aint corny. J cole is signed to a nigga that kept it G the whole time he was in the spotlight. Staying underground is what is disrespectful because if a artists is dope why the fuck would you not want the world to hear your talent? That makes no sense. Dmx slaughtered radio for years aint didnt make no fake shit , so did Biggie , Xzibit , Snoop , Outkast , Goodie Mob and Scarface. And dont give me that bullshit about its a new day now. If J cole is only good on mellow underground sounding shit , thats not helping the culture stay alive. Nothing but bugs and plants can stay alive under the fuckin ground. Imagine if Diddy , 50 cent , Dr Dre , Master P and Jayz were like fuck that we only making shit for the dirty underground fans? Hip hop would have been dead. J cole dont impress me with this underground keep it real shit , even though I appreciate it I understand you cant change the game from under the ground – Currensy HELLO. HIP HOP DESERVES MORE
One thing….THIS NIGGA HAS NOT DROPPED A FUCKING ALBUM. HOW IN THE FUCK CAN HE FALL OFF WHEN HE HAS NOT EVEN DROPPED AN ALBUM? HOW? Someone please answer me that question.
lebron = j.cole pat riley = jay-z
I say all that to say J cole mite be lyrically better then Wiz and Big Sean but can he crossover like them and still remain himself on the album? We’ll see.
and cavemen said the realest comment on here. People over analyze shit. That nigga lowkey in the video just wants to hear cole on beats. He could be saying ass ass ass ass ass like big sean and he would love it. That shows me that people don’t care about the music anymore. I understand if someone is on a horrible beat, most won’t listen. I won’t either. That being said, J.Cole is a good producer and he is getting better. Whatever though. I won’t say another thing about J.Cole until his album drops. Dumb asses judging a product they haven’t even heard.
How can you blame Jay-Z? You can lead a horse to water… shit you know the rest! As far as Cole goes, I just think he needs to starting promoting a little better. He should’ve played off the buzz of “In The Morning”, maybe made an official video and it would’ve catapulted him into the Mainstream world. Who Dat was okay and got some play, but Cole didn’t push it to it’s limits. In this case the artist has to control his destiny. Big Sean, Wiz, and Drake had to work to get where they are now. Drake and Wiz in a way had to fail in order to learn how to grind harder. Remember “Replacement Girl” and “Say Yeah”? Those didn’t exactly do that well. Big Sean had to basically push his way past Kanye’s shadow. I think Cole needs to do the same thing. Like Sean and Kanye, Cole expected a cosign from Jay-Z to solidify his mainstream success, but it doesn’t work like that. Stop releasing your shit for free bcuz if you such a perfectionist you need to make ppl pay for it! Especially a song that is supposed to be your single. I think Cole will come out on top though.
You can actually say the same about Big Sean too. Remember “Getcha Some”, even “Whatchu Doin”. Both were videos that didn’t get much play at all. It’s all about promoting and grinding. Cole is doing shows, but he also has to reach out to his fans a little more. His biggest problem is he isn’t as open as other artists. Giving away free music is cool, but he has to interact with the ppl more. Give the fans something to feel like they’re apart of, a movement.
got em…
this is all pre mature.. let the mans album drop.. then lets re-viset
“Now, the single I’m about to put out – which I love to death and I really wish I could have put it out before Memorial Day Miami because it’s such a theme song for this shit – the thing is, I sampled a Kanye West song. When y’all hear how I did the sample, it’s so great…” j.cole about work out
2DB YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR SITE ASAP. This “youre posting too quickly” shit is getting really fucking annoying.
@”One thing….THIS NIGGA HAS NOT DROPPED A FUCKING ALBUM. HOW IN THE FUCK CAN HE FALL OFF WHEN HE HAS NOT EVEN DROPPED AN ALBUM? HOW? Someone please answer me that question.”
Its funny you dickriders will compare j.cole to the greats and even guys like wiz and drake even before has an album…. yet when people start criticizing him you say shit like this. HYPOCRITE MUCH?
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This was a great debate. Seriously.
looks like the debate took a page right out of nyc/brooklyn hate seminar on j cole. nyc/brooklyn has written books on this subject on here on the c-section on 2dbz. people need to relax and wait for the album. if you support j cole buy the album. if you are a hater don’t worry about it.
you guys are really exaggerating Work Out. its really not that bad. its only looked at as bad because the expectations for Cole are so high because of how dope he is. the next single with trey songz will be his crossover blow up hit, watch
straight up now tell me do you really wana hate on cole forevaaaaaa or do u got nothin better to DDOOOOOOOOO OH OH OH
yo haters, get a day job. if you dont fuck with cole go comment on ur fav artists posts.
he needs features n producers he cant go for dolo, everybody’s had some help with their albums.
I know he’s done features for Miguel, Sean Garrett, Keri Hilson and Bei Maejor, cant he get them 2 do 1 of his hooks? shiiiiittt isnt rihanna managed by roc nation? idk if she still is or not but get her on a track n u kno its gonna be big
production wise get kanye, just blaze, no id, maybe even boi 1da if the beats rite
im jst saying j cole cant do the ENTIRE album by himself, have him produce a few of the beats on the album n stick wit rapping all his verses but hav sum guest producers and features for hooks and cole will do fine, and (most likely) sell 150,000 albums 1st week
Man stop hating on the kid. He’s just following his dreams. They do bring up some valid points in the video though. He can’t take himself super serious, after a couple listens the song grew on me. He IS an artist after all… Props for doing his thing. In the end we all still talking about him regardless of whether you liked the single or not. I for one still have faith in Cole. He’s just showing us his versatility in my opinion.
since when is having a fucking discussion hating? oh, right, since the discussion is about j.cole. you either you pray to him or your a hater
for all you people saying cole needs to hop on different production for the album
HE IS, the album has:
4 NO I.D. tracks
1 Danjahandz track
1 Brian Kidd track (timbalands protege)
1 shea taylor track
the rest J. Cole
Finally a c-section on 2DBZ worth reading!!
I agree with someone mentioning J.Cole over some Michael “Seven” Summers’ beats with XV on guest tip. That would be a dope collaboration!!
yo the people in this video are retarted. to the bitch in the curly hair saying if this happens one more time its OVER for j. cole… bitch are you crazy? this nigga signed to jay z and has an album on the way, peoples careers dont depend on c-section opinions.
yo the people in this video are retarted. to the bitch in the curly hair saying if this happens one more time its OVER for j. cole… bitch are you crazy? this nigga signed to jay z and has an album on the way, peoples careers dont depend on c-section opinions.
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Valid points, great discussion. He has time, we all know he can kill tracks. No reason to hang heads and thirst over his ‘next hit’ or anything along those lines.
If the album ends up being dope, what will people complain about next??? Too many people are quick assume hate before they see or understand someone’s opinion.
Think back to the days when “buzz” didn’t matter as much. If you were dope, people bought your album. Of course those days are LOOOONG gone, but let’s see what’s in store for him.
I agree and disagree. I think people that haven’t heard J. Cole before deserve to hear him on the radio, see him on BET and MTV, everywhere but I do not think he should “cheat” by putting Chris Breezy or Drake on a hook just for the point of getting a semi-hit.
No, in my opinion, Cole should go out and do a raw song, with superdope lyrics but with a banging ass hook. People need to remember that Big Poppa was raw lyrically, Juicy was raw lyrically, but they had really dope hooks and great beats that made them hits AND classics.
In my opinion, Big Sean cheated his way to fame. He put Chris Brown on his song, knowing Chris Brown has 100x the fanbase but My Last was trash (well imo, Big Sean only made 10 or so really good tracks before My Last so I wasn’t surprised really).
Wiz Khalifa, in my opinion, did not cheat his way to fame. Black and Yellow was a massive hit, but he did all by himself, he came up with the hook and everything. Sure the beat helped him but Wiz created that song.
So to summarize, Cole should do a song that attracts listeners just because the song is so dope, he should focus on the hook and the beat, just create a dope song that’s commercially viable, take the Biggie approach.
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good point. I thought the same. Throw J.Cole on a Stargate beat lol.
TOP 10 YOUNG RAPPERS:
10. BIG SEAN
9. BIG K.R.I.T.
8. KENDRICK LAMAR
7. DRAKE
6. BLU
5. J. COLE
4. LUPE FIASCO
3. WIZ
2. NICKI MINAJ
1. B.O.B.
@Art Money
i agree
Great List, art money. Co-sign.
J.Cole seems arrogant to me…almost to the point where he doesn’t care about his career and what people think of his music.
He needs to find his voice. Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole are essentially direct rivals and Kendrick’s momentum is picking up fast. Section 80 will make us forget that a J. Cole even exists. J. Cole needs to have better production and a different style. He still has a chance.
As long as the album’s dope, who gives a FUCK?!? Y’all sound like a bunch of bitches with this bullshit
realness said this on June 24th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
^THIS
You guys are talking like it’s still 2001 or some shit. How many LYRICAL rappers are consistently dropping platinum albums nowadays? Not many. He’s probably gonna be in a lane like Lupe as far as album sales. Cole’s not going to flop, but he’s not gonna be a best selling artist right away either. So what? He can still rap circles around most of these commercial ass MCs anyway. As long as he comes with some heat lyrically over some dope beats, I think right now he’s done his job. Plus dude is still young, so he’s got time to get better. And he wants to be the best from a RAP perspective, not just commercially. I don’t understand why we’re criticizing him because everybody doesn’t like his music, when the majority of people listening to rap and buying music nowadays don’t know a whole hell of a lot about rap and the legends of the game to begin with.
Lupe Fiasco and Nicki MInaj are not young…that list that nigga a couple comments above made is wack as fuck. Nigga sound like he’s some MTV Hypebeast faggot who bases his top 10 on the weekly top 40 chart n shit. Fuck that shit bruh. Earl Sweatshirt, Kendrick Lamar, Krit, Cole, XV.
these bitches dont know shit they type of thinkin is what fucked up the game in the first place.
and for people talking that kendrick lamar shit if people dont know j cole they damn sho dont know kendrick lamar
Damn… there is a lot of hate! I agree with a lot of what is said tho, Cole is fucking up! The music can be the whole side of it, yeah its great but what good is it if only the internet nerd hear it. Work out is an okay song, but not for Cole and not for his single. He is so hyped and realeased all his info on twitter? What happened to that Colestream about the album title. Where is the artwork, the tracklist, why isnt the single on itunes. I could go on and on. His music is great but he needs a better manager.
as for that Stupid list that was made a few comments up… WTF! shit is horrible. Lupe aint young, he been around for like 8 years lol…
Hip-hop fans are the worse, we turn on our artist so fast! we want instant gradifacation… shit dont work like that… not everyone had Drake or Wiz buzz. I will tell you what tho… before both of those two artist were all over the radio I was spinnin them in my ipod cause their music had substance…. it lacks it now!
my 2 cents!
these people are wack. nobody is going to be listening to wiz in 10 years. j.cole will still be respected and people will still be checking for his music. cole is being cole and isnt that what music needs, for artists to just be themselves?
You niggas still haven’t learned that the younger generation ain’t buying records. If your shit can’t relate to a mature audience your shit won’t sell. Internet buzz is dope but having a song banging on the radio is even doper. If your song is on the radio your internet buzz is instantly. You don’t have to sell out to make it on the radio. Make a song everyone can relate to and that will get you over. J Cole is hella boring to me and his beats aren’t fresh enough to take it to the next level. He should really get a kanye beat and shine like he can. He does have potential but putting out a mixtape is like putting out album and your style or character isn’t gonna change much. I wish J Cole the best, but when you get a buzz you must use it for all its worth. Time does tick and listeners do change.
J. Cole may have been alright had he dropped when Drake, B.O.B. and Cudi dropped. But that rap flavor is solidified and there have been three classes of new artists since then. His flow has nothing on the likes of emcees like Dom Kennedy, Chip tha Ripper, Pac Div, and Cool Kids who are still bringing underground heat. Nothing he can do unless he can reverse time. Son is over.
wow all of em are so freaking stupid for even thinking j will stoop to what wiz and big sean have become, wiz isnt the same wiz anymore and now he sucks, sean hasnt been the same since supa dupa lemonade now they want j cole to be as terrible as they are look j cole is a ARTIST he does art and nothing else these people like the ones in the video need to realize that they are not really accustomed to listening to true ARTIST its amazing how ignorant people have become J. Cole needs to keep doing what hes doing cuz hes been the most consistent well thats how i view things
Basically…J cole HASNT RELEASED HIS ALBUM YET…all uve heard is random leaks from sessions hes done in the past…HOW ARE U ALL GONNA SUPPORT HIM ONE MOMENT AND WHEN U DONT FEEL A “BUZZ” write him off??? its not about a “BUZZ” its ABOUT if the MUSIC is GOOD and SOUNDS GREAT! thats all that matters..but ppl act like if the buzz aint rite well they aint gonna go out n support…beyonce didnt really have a “BUZZ” B4 her new album came out but ppl still supported.
Honestly i feel like u have your commercial artist then u have your lauren hills and the greats that dont focus on hits they focus on real life music,giving those lil ghetto boys and girls and single parents hope.I believe his real fans will carry him and if not he did go to college not everyone sells out there music dreams for a shiny pennie. and isnt this 2dopeboyz where the real hiphop heads at smh f-ing traders.
I’m not typing this myself at the present time. I’m having my little nephew on the laptop taking my notes. I’m smokin’ an L and splashing myself down with a 40 as my little nephew is getting busy with the alphabets. I’ll probably end up being a crackhead or an alcoholic when this is all over and done with. this is sickening and embarrassing reading all these sheep love letters. do any of you niggaz have an ounce of dignity left? your savior of hip hop FAILED YOU. this is gonna be a lengthy rebuttal which some of you may respond as if I’m on a verbal tirade. the L has me calm, cool and collective. even when I’m done drinking a 40, I’m always a solid 100% sober nigga. my thought process is calculated accurately, because I stay within a positive objective outlook in any conversation. I’m entering the 2dbz.com premises in peace. why is it when a nigga has an opinion on a certain subject or individual, it’s defined as spewing hatred. with this Cole dude, yes I’m gonna call him Cole for the time being in this e-conversation. he fooled yall niggaz, like my brother Malcolm X said, “We didn’t land on Plymouth rock. Plymouth rock landed on us”. how is there pressure for Cole to deliver a classic? there isn’t no pressure because the cat is out the bag with Cole. I exposed this nigga years ago. now these idiots on that video want to come around with some BS debate about Cole’s career. the reason they’re having this debate is, they’ve done their homework by searching on hip hop message boards. Cole’s bandwagon is running low on fumes now. some of his most loyal dickriders can’t fathom the outcry of disappointment he left his fans with. it’s been about a week since the “work out” single was released and there’s been a stoppage of the song everywhere. it’s like Cole’s album may turn out to be like Bin Laden’s dead body picture. nobody gonna see the shit because it don’t exist. if anybody thinks he’s dropping the album on 9/27/ you’re kiddin’ yourselves. those niggaz in Cole’s camp have gone through their trajectories of approval and disapproval ratings from fans and have no choice but to delay the release of the album one more time. there’s no tracklisting, no album cover pic and no GOD DAMN release statement from rocnation themselves. ohh I see, he announced it on twitter. I can see it now from Cole when he announces on twitter in a few months that he meant “mixtape” album for 9/27. I want to go back to the “work out” single, SMH wow, let me not go back to that. ahh fuck it, if rocnation had the balls…hold up, if Cole had the balls he would release a video of the “work out” song and sit back and see the response it gets. you know God Damn well they’re probably destroying the masters as we speak. that song actually helped my little nephew discover that Cole was a fraud from the jump. I told this little nigga to go back and listen to all Cole’s music and tell me straight to my face if they hold any weight now. you know what little nephew said to me, he said uncle, you was right all along. I’m not trying to brag, because there’s a few other on here that agreed with me or had the same opinion about Cole as I did. I respect Cole in what he’s “trying” to do. the key word is “trying”, the nigga is in the game on “trying” alone. as far as rhymin, that’s not even enough in the game. anybody can fuckin’ put words together to make them rhyme. it’s the originality and skills that you have to possess to make your claim valid. how was Cole this underground legend yall make him out to be. he started dropping mixtapes when he got signed. the reason he’s in this predicament is because he doesn’t comprehend the labor factor of being an emcee. it’s called paying dues. he’s been on tour as an opening act and doesn’t have a hit record. now yall the same niggaz saying his management and jay-z doesn’t know what they’re doing. are you kidding me? they’ve done more for him than anybody else in the game who doesn’t have an album. jay put him on BP3 and the rocnation tour. he was marketed online, college campus, overseas and U.S. tours. countless of BS interviews and self promotion by himself through twitter and stream TV. he had all the advantages a new artist could ask for, but the one thing he did not have was a completed album. you know why? he couldn’t deliver. he got amped up for the non-necessary things in the game. he got caught up in the studio doing mixtapes and sitting on garbage and dated songs for his album. doing songs for an NBA game that wasn’t even released. fucking around with some ESPN BS beat. his production is flat out wack. he’s no hip hop producer. he’s not one of these traditional break beat digger. his beats sound like they’re burger king sponsored. I’m gonna call it as I see it, this nigga Cole, to me, it looks like he’s frontin’ in the game. he’s “trying”, “trying” to hard to look and sound like a rap artist. little nephew, that’s all I got, peace the fuck out. PAULA ABDUL YOU PAPOOSED YOUSELF!!!
@Billy I think by “buzz” you’d think by now the word would start circulating from the industry “Yo, you need to get ready for this J. Cole to come out”. Or “Man every track he’s dropped so far has been heat from the album.” He’s had a lot of opportunities to solidify himself in the game BEFORE the album and he hasn’t. He has the quintessential artists dream in getting signed and heralded, but he has to deliver. Thus far it’s been subpar. Some of it has been over-hype from his fans, over-hype from himself, and the hope that he’d be the antithesis to Drake. So now the standards are probably unfairly set. But who’s fault is that? It is what it is.
You know what’s wrong with the first girls argument?
If you listen to Cole what is the story he always tells?
That he got played by JayZ
Drake has Lil Wayne
Cole got the love from Jay but was never under his wing!
Cole is smart, clearly he doesnt want to make songs like “Work Out” that’s not where his talent is but if he wants to make money thats what has to happen.
Oh yeah and fuck that old head Jay-Z for saying everything he does is “premeditated” that why he wont get on so many songs with Cole.
Grimey Fuck Head
NYC/BROOKLYN who the fuck is going to read all that lol. you are just a hater who spends too much time on the j. cole c-section.
these people have no idea what their talking about. J.Cole will exist forever because he makes real music. He wont make some shitty soulja boy shit, he makes real music for real people. stupid ass motha fuckas
these people r morons . . . “work out” is well received and serves a purpose to reach radio . . .the internet will never have 100% love for those records . . . but still “everyone is trashing it” i dont know where u see this
SMDH listen either you work for a label or you’re a fan of music period. I can’t stand mofos like this all uberobessed with oh why aint he puttin out 50 million video blogs and why don’t he have people telling him what to do nikka please STFU if you dono’t like what he does THEN DON’T LISTEN TO IT. I mean cats don’t like one song the all of a sudden oh one more bad song and J Cole is done GTFOH ya’ll aint even artists man what about Jay Electronica he’s been MIA, doin what? WORKING ON HIS ALBUM like cats are supposed to do damn man in this age ya’ll are so obsessed with the fame it’s ridiculous. Wiz is cool but his album was whatever Big Sean as well the only difference is that the way they wanna do they music is different. I hate fairweather fans for real man and music wasn’t meant for all this overanalytical bs it’s either you connect to it or you don’t.
Man I don’t see all the fuss… I’d much rather dance to “work Out” in the club than majority of club joints these lame ass D.J’s spin… And the teen girls will guaranteed turn it up every time they hear it on the radio. Hip-Hop fans always cry when artists make mainstream records. What make’s Cole’s situation so different? Least he gave ya’ll mixtape classic after classic. His brand of hip-hop is gonna have to switch to hold up against today’s radio bullshit, and the more it does, the more ya’ll r gonna hate the shit out of it.
j. Cole fading away? These clowns are crazy
J cole aint gonna fade away but the chances of him having a good career arent looking to good and im not hating on J cole but if you think hes gonna make the most impact in the 4th quarter of this year when you should know the type of albums thats coning out. I dont know what to tell you cause in order for that to happen at this point , every song on his album would have to be an epic classic. I just dont think he can pull it off. I think he’ll deliver a very good album but I dont think people will care outside of the bloggersphere. A new artist dropping his debut album when the heavyweights do? Is that really a good move? I dont know…
I agree with most of what they said, but I feel that after he enters the game by himself with his own work he’ll start experimenting with other artists. I mean look at any other beat he hops on (Looking for trouble, Beautiful Bliss, Buyou, ect.) that’s not his, he KILLS it.
His biggest problem is his production right now. I love his beats but they do all sound similiar. If he starts working with top producers and hops on their beats, he’ll be golden.
There are a lot of rappers who don’t make it, why are we even talking about J. Cole. I list to a lot of rap, and i honestly have only heard about 2 songs. he is okay, but he just isn’t all that. he’s not horrible, he was just over-hyped. i see he being like a jadakiss type rapper, and nothing is wrong with that!
@MerryTrismas has a good point. J. Cole would definitely benefit from a direct working relationship with Jay-Z, ala’ Drake and Lil Wayne. A lot of people were attracted to Drake because he did a lot of songs with Weezy in the beginning. But I don’t think Jay-Z is that interested in releasing music, outside of bit spots here and there and perhaps that Watch The Throne album. He will never put himself out there like Weezy did with Drake.
Either way, building a legitimate career takes time. So what if J. Cole’s songs aren’t getting immediate mainstream buzz? We all like (or liked) J. Cole for some reason or another. Big Sean, Wiz, B.o.B. have been doing this for 3,4,5 years plus. J. Cole got signed in 2009. It’s 2011. Have some faith.
I’d like to just also add that, although its sometimes precieved as boring, there are a couple of mainstream success’ that have gone over their own beats and smashed it. So that arguement they made is irrelevant.
man y not collaborate a small mixtape with jay-z + j.cole with Eminem + yelawolf… just those four rappers and the small mixtape… everybody wins, both big artists get their new projects HUGE EXPOSURE , arent jay and em cool right? did that tour and shit … i dunno just thinkin out loud
Work out sucked, people ain’t mad that it was made for the radio, they are mad cause it sucked. If Work Out was better put together and he didn’t sing it wouldn’t sound so bad. he is over hyped and with that always comes disappointment. The “radio” crowd wont even like that radio record. blow up should have been his lead single, that song just connects with everyone cause everyone wants to blow up(male,females, kids, old heads, bombs, missiles, etc) blowin up is cool
They make some good points no doubt. I kinda feel like his team isn’t doing enough to get his name out, because outside of blogs, people dont really know J.Cole. And i definitely think that roc Nation and Jay should definitely play a bigger part of in producing his album, and the promotion no doubt, i definitely dont want to see Cole become the next Bleek or Budden. at the same time, the only thing released for the album was Work Out (not the greatest song imo, but compared to how lasers turned out, its something I could bare to listen to. i still cringe when i hear “Outta my head” start playing on my ipod…and Blow Up definitely would’ve worked better as a first radio single) which was…work out…yeah… the song was meh, and definitely underwhelming when I think of my standard for a J.Cole song. Im still hoping he has a better smash on deck(if not a black and yellow, a marvin and chardanay), and the album will be full of hungry shit like grown simba…
not a stan, but definitely a fan, im hoping shit turns out better than it seems it will
We know Cole makes great music and art. But a lot of us want to see success from him. Kanye Always made great music and art and managed to be successful. The problem they have with Cole is that he’s not effectively working with his music and his craft to put him up in the position where he can actually “Blow Up”. Releasing leaked and throwaway tracks via twitter can only do so much especially for someone who had such a head start after his feature of Jay-Z’s album and his tape The Warm Up. I personally just want to see him do his thing and make his art, and still move crowds. Sadly the only thing he has going for him is lyrics, and contrary to popular belief, great hip hop music is made up of more than just deep lyrics. A great Cole song would have amazing lyrics, a colorful beat, a melodic hook, but we only get one of those from him. He needs to work with other producers and other writers to help with his hooks. But the rap shit? He has down, no doubt.
These people are dumb as shit, they want him to become more of a mainstream rapper lol he’s fine doing what he’s doing