During Eminem and Royce’s sit down with MTV, Em explains (at the 3:50 mark) how Renegade went from a Bad Meets Evil record to featuring Jay-Z.
That record was actually made, we were starting to make that record. It was a situation where Jay had called me and I had another record that I wanted to present to him. At the time we were recording on two-inch reels. What happened was there was a beat that I had an idea for me and Jay to do a song together. But the reel with the beat on it was in L.A., I was in Detroit and Jay was on a deadline. I kinda approached Jay like, ‘Yo what about this record? I already have this, it’s already here.’ And he was working a deadline; he was working on a real short window of time to get it done, so that was kinda how that record came about… I actually sent him the track and he put his verses on there and sent it back and I mixed it.
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jzy z wont put this effort in for j cole. First u fucks.!!!!!!!!!!!
cole world
Yea it’s a classic song but you would think it was new or something.. I swear I see a post related to this song every other month…
j cole is a beast………cole world
jcole new album is gonna be crazy. cant wait same with drake new album
Rozko please show proof of this copious amount of renegade-related posts you speak of.
If you can’t please shut your candyass up and know your role.
im a fan of drake and j cole
The Royce Joint is !0x Better then Jay Z Version For Real
i cannot wait for a Bad Meets Evil show…
n i wish proof was alive cuz a em/royce/proof track would be crack
kanye west and eminem
So Jay got killed on Renegade even after hearing Em’s part? lol
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That what i said after reading this lmfao. How the fuck did he let that happen lol
Imma Royce fan but you’re just lying to yourself if you think the original version with Royce is better than Jay’s..
i feel like ppl over analyze the renegade song as if it was meant to be competitive. They were just tryna tell stories of their life and that is all. This is why its so hard to make classic songs these days cuz at the end of the day everyone looks at it like a competition instead of what it was meant to be. i love jayz verse and ems they both did their thing
In Renegade Em is speaking for himself and talking about his life and for the most part just rhyming syllables and not saying much. When Jay rhymes on that song hes speaking for the whole hip hop culture. Also “Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it” is a quotable that has stood the test of time. Em did his thing but he speaks for himself , when Jay talks he tries to explain the plight of a whole generation.
^ yo hmmop deadass bro, everything is a fucking competition. Niggas can’t just appreciate quality music. Why the hell will two artist make a track together as friends to compete for the top spot ? That shit makes no sense. Ya niggas gotta stop that whole _______ >>> _____ cuz ya messing everything up. Its QUALITY MUSIC from GOOD ARTIST !
@bon
He’s telling the truth you sensitive ass nigga got your panties all in ya ass.
@ op23
You think drakes album is gonna be good? lol that shit is gonna suck just like his first album.
I can see it
Em should of put my man gucci on it, I guess he was too scared
@marty mcfly
Dude you seriously have something against Eminem. You always have some slick shit to talk about him on every post I see. It can’t be denied that he dropped classic verses on this track and murked Jay. If you think otherwise, you don’t know Hip Hop. Yeah, Jay came hard and that “do you just skim…” is a classic line, but on the whole it didn’t stand with Em’s verses.
How is even relevant whether Em was talking about himself or the whole culture? Jay made a whole album basically talking about himself and how he thinks he’s the greatest called The Black Album. Most consider that a classic. Btw that’s some complete bullshit about “for the most part just rhyming syllables”. Have you actually READ the lyrics? Clearly you haven’t. His verses are about the controversy surrounding him, hence the title Renegade. I bet you couldn’t give me two lines where he just rhymes syllables.
@ Yeah , so your saying every line of Ems is really about his life? Isnt alot of his shit jokes and shock value? Plus lets say Em killed Jay on a verse , what difference does that make because if Jay was making a point in what hes saying then he wouldnt care if Em has a better verse or not. You people that think Jay cares about whos verse is better when he has a whole album to make dope verses? I could point out alot of bullshit that Em has said that does not say nothing important other then shock value and being funny.
and I think Jay killed Em on that song for reasons that I pointed out earlier.
Em > Royce > Jay-Z
Earl (OFWGKTA) > J. Cole
and you say the Black album was just about how great he was and its not a classic? When thats one of his most deepest substance filled albums , go back and listen to the first song. You say he thinks hes so great when on that same album he says “Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense”. Em is one of the greatest for sure but I say Jay got 5 classic albums:
Reasonable Doubt
Life and Times
The Blueprint
The Black album
American Gangster
and his subject matter aint funny its his reality. As for Royce compared to Jayz , thats really funny cause does he even have a classic or even a gold album?
Jay-z isnt even that good… NAS >>>>>
The 2nd classic is IN MY LIFETIME vol 1 , my bad… and people always try to say Nas is better then Jay but the only problem I see with that is there are alot of artists who are on Nas level. I could name several MCs that could go song for song with Nas…
@marty mcfly
You sound like a Jay-Z dick rider for sure! get outta here with that whole speakin to the generation shit. Em was the voice of the fuckin generation. Its a great song both went in, but em slaughtered him on that track. Also both em verses were talkin about actual events and relevant topics, he wasnt just sayin random shit that rhymed.
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@marty mcfly
And American Gangster is no where near a classic album. Eminem has 3 as far as im concerned. S.S LP, M.M. LP, Eminem Show. One argument you will never win is sayin that Eminem’s subject matter is shit. Excluding Relapse/Refill he is ususally talkin about personal experiences or shit that he wants to speak on. but he doesnt just shit out random verses. Yeah he may talk about things in a joking manner but they’re all relevant. Like these lines.
I sees three little kids, up in the front row,
screamin “Go,” with their 17-year-old Uncle
I’m like, “Guidance – ain’t they got the same moms and dads
who got mad when I asked if they liked violence?”
And told me that my tape taught ‘em to swear
What about the make-up you allow your 12-year-old daughter to wear?
It comes off as humorous, but it was all relevant and and true at the same time.
you sound like an idiot saying people can go song for song with nas smh. id love to hear those names. also how the fuck is in my lifetime a classic? you sound like a dickrider saying shit like that and saying jay got em on renegade. i like jay more than eminem and i know that eminem slaughtered him on it smh
Stop with the whole dick rider shit cause that whole concept is corny. Em could have one verse cause Jays albums slaughter Ems as far as substance goes and Em is not the voice of the generation because most of his fans arent extremists like he is , sure you may have grown up poor but Ems story is more then that , people relate more to his sound then his actual words. What are the songs that make him the voice of a generation? Hi my name is…
“So Jay got killed on Renegade even after hearing Em’s part? lol”
^^^^^^its always weird when someone finds somethin out that you knew for a while =O
As for Nas , with all due respect I feel that artist like Common , Black Thought , Mos Def , Fat Joe , 2pac and AZ can all compete with him in hip hop.
In My Lifetime is classic and if you didnt understand it , its like Reasonable Doubt cause its just to much content for me to break down without you understanding the mechanics and the workings of the underworld , granted. 2nd American Gangster is classic because its a concept album thats one long story because all the songs connect to each other like a audio movie.
The Black Album >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sway came off like an idiot. He’s never heard the original Renegade with Royce? He thought Em and Jay recorded their verses together when Em’s verses were the exact same from the original?
I thought Sway was a Hip-Hop head, The Wake-Up Show? Come on man.
Haha eminem has 2 diamond albums, eminem is what Charlie sheen wishes he was. WINNING. Both artists top 5, he’ll; the sequel and watch the throne killing everything out. Even all these haters will be bumpin it while they talk shit.
@marty mcfly
You’re making Jay-Z out to be god or something. It sounds like you want his dick in your mouth. And wow, you think vol. 1 is a classic, that’s some funny shit to me.
Em has three classic albums. The only one you can really say is full of jokes is Slim Shady LP. The other two are for the most part filled with personal/serious material. Eminem’s greatest gift is that he can deliver serious content in a humorous manner. That’s one of the many reasons people consider him the greatest. If you don’t understand that, you are really missing the point and need to lighten up a little.
Jay has 4 great albums to me. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album and American Gangster. But the only one I would consider in the same league as any of Em’s classics is Reasonable Doubt.
and i didn’t say black album wasn’t a classic, it is. it has incredible production and flows. but the subject matter is not very deep. you’re kidding yourself if you think it is.
Every time somebody says something about a artist they think is the best people start saying a bunch of homo shit. Look man if you need to come out the closet cause you got some gay shit on your mind thats on you , dont put me in it. Em got like 6 albums right , jay has 15 and I dont care how much EM sold cause Jay got several different hustles. Even when people disagree with me they still say Jay has more classics. I can point out songs on IN MY LIFETIME vol 1 that can crush any song you can put up from Em so go check off how many songs from that album that you know are dope and get back at me. I aint mad at EM for jokes cause thats ok but jays music is real , all that violence EM talks about we all know he never did or would do. Some of EMs music is serious but its just emotional , when you listen to Jays first 3 albums hes talking about life and death violence not domestic violence. He talking about making something outta nothing in the streets on the block with the feds closing in , he aint just making up fantasies about killing his girlfriend and fighting Vanilla ice. If you understood what Jay was saying on his albums you would feel me or if you ever really lived through what hes saying you could feel me. I know people feel Ems music but when a nigga is rappin that hustle shit and with skills and its authentic thats a whole other level of hip hop. Good nite
yoooooo did this nigga martymcfly REALLY say Fat Joe can compete with Nas? Really Doe? Make it rain on dem hoes can compete with Nasir Jones? martymcfly I’m seriously questioning your interest in hiphop…the words you type are straight nonsene. Stop massaging Jay-Z’s balls like a corny stan nicca…that’s like Saying Wiz Khalifa can compete with Kendrick Lamar or Rick Ross can compete with Lupe Fiasco….nigga you need to THINK before you type. Talking bout Fat Joe SMFH. As for the Renegade songs, Em killed Jigga. You can front on the fact Em don’t spit about a ”generation” but thas serious bullshit. It’s a KNOWN fact Eminem killed Jigga. Stop dickriding.
here goes another one with some more gay shit? I knew the Fat Joe one would get somebody and I could have said Busta Rhymes or Ice cube but for Fat Joe let me say this. Do you have any Fat Joe albums? Do you know when he came in the rap game? Or his lyrical content on songs that werent singles? Just look at his overall career in hip hop and see for yourself he can compete with Nas. You wanna talk about his singles but if I brought up his singles for songs like So much more , Take a look at my life , Lean Back and Slow down your killin em etc… cause he got alot more that NY was feeling , then you would see why he can compete. Alot of you people come out saying people like Kendrick and J cole are the best when they have no official Debut album so whos really dick riding? You come out comparing platinum and multi platinum artists with niggas who just go signed and take years to get a single together so please. And yes I think Wiz is better then Kendrick until Kendrick puts out a project that is dope cause the game aint just about free mixtapes. AND just so were clear I said I could name artist that could compete with Nas not whos ultimately better.
HAHAHAHAHHHHHHAAAHHA marty mcfly, what a joke
How many classics does Fat Joe have? Absolutely none. Nas has Illmatic, Stillmatic and The Lost Tapes. Plus, It Was Written, Hip Hop is Dead and God’s Son are all better than any of Joe’s.
^^^um fat joe does have classics..im guessing u missed the whole fact that there was hiphop in the 90s. yes joe has done alot of wackness but he made classics before that like the Don Cartegena album..CLASSIC.. (John blaze!, the hidden hand! ) and Represent and Jealous Ones Envy.
It’s a KNOWN fact Eminem killed Jigga.
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again its down to personal opinion..jays verse was filled with emotion and technical skill and is more relatable in a personal way speaking on REAL stuff regular ppl can relate to a bit more..ems was also dope sum days i like jays verse more sumdays i like ems..*plays why cant we be friends*
oh and speakin on the jay classic albums i also think in the life and times of s.carter vol.3 was classic too it had stuff like hova song intro, so ghetto, do it again (put ur hands up) theres been a murder,come and get me,watch me, NYMP….great album.
Bottom line of all this Jay Z shit,
Kingdom Come > In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time, dead or alive.
Not Jay Z, not Nas, not Andre 3000, not Rakim, not Biggie, not 2Pac, not Big Pun
^nigga above wrote that shit after he smoked some crack.
Kingdome Come is one of Jigga’s WORST albums if not the WORST nigga. In My Lifetime vol 1 is CLASSIC. And Eminem is not the greatest…when you look at subject matter and flow 2Pac & Nas & Jay-Z are on top…right after that u get Jigga & Rakim…after that you get Biggie. Niggaz gonna hate on the fact I put Biggie on the end of the list but that nigga got 2 albums..he don’t have enough material to be considered the GREATEST. Eminem up there too tho, but he made some bad carreer moves which will never be forgotton (Recovery). Hope Bad Meets Evil can fix that shit tho.
Jigga > Biggie? Nas = Fat Joe? Wiz > Kendrick Lamar? Really?!
Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time, dead or alive.
Not Jay Z, not Nas, not Andre 3000, not Rakim, not Biggie, not 2Pac, not Big Pun
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honestly have u listened to every album put out by those u mentioned??
p.s news flash its ONLY your opinion. not fact.
Simple like ABC, 123< also y u gopna say em is better than rakim thts like sum 1 sayin "insert rock band here" is better than jimy hendrix..the point is u wudnt hsve no em or jay without rakim
Ok for the whole Nas and Fat Joe shit , yes Nas has more classics then Joe but I was just naming rappers who are close to his level. Also I want to say that people gotta know an artists music before you all they why say they cant compete. Cause once you go into people like Snoops domain and you dropping your 15th album and shit like that , you gotta know its some dope music involved. I think the Fat Joe Massacre on Madison song just had me feelin like Joe is a little underrated at this point. As for Em I havent liked a album from him since 2002 so I just dont think hes the best and if people wanna say he had the best verse on Renegade thats cool because in my opinion you not supposed to get a feature on your album from someone just to out rap them. I think if a artists pays you to be on there album then you better out rap them cause you just got that one verse on it. Renegade is a classic song but I still think Jay was saying a little more.
Wheres TYLER DA CREATORS FUCKKKIN POSTS AT?!!!
who the fuck is tryna argue that eminem is the best because his albums went diamond lmao? your a idiot. hes white! like 80% of this country is white. so theres all the ppl thats buying his damn albums. jay is a nigga. and niggaz dont buy albums, we bootleg em. so numbers dont matter in that sense. you just have to have an ear. and reasonable doubt, black album, and american gangster are HANDS DOWN UNDISPUTED CLASSIC ALBUMS! you cant knock american gangster because he was 35+ when he made it, that makes it even more epic. its story coming from a mature state of mind where most rappers fall of the planet. i swear we got some dumbass commenter on hear. there needs to be a block for folks who just have no perspective on music or life.
and if people wanna say he had the best verse on Renegade thats cool because in my opinion you not supposed to get a feature on your album from someone just to out rap them. I think if a artists pays you to be on there album then you better out rap them cause you just got that one verse on it. Renegade is a classic song but I still think Jay was saying a little more.
^hmm. thats an interesting way of seeing it. never thought about it like that. see thats an intelligent comment. i can co-sign that shit
Every time somebody says something about a artist they think is the best people start saying a bunch of homo shit. Look man if you need to come out the closet cause you got some gay shit on your mind thats on you , dont put me in it. Em got like 6 albums right , jay has 15 and I dont care how much EM sold cause Jay got several different hustles. Even when people disagree with me they still say Jay has more classics. I can point out songs on IN MY LIFETIME vol 1 that can crush any song you can put up from Em so go check off how many songs from that album that you know are dope and get back at me. I aint mad at EM for jokes cause thats ok but jays music is real , all that violence EM talks about we all know he never did or would do. Some of EMs music is serious but its just emotional , when you listen to Jays first 3 albums hes talking about life and death violence not domestic violence. He talking about making something outta nothing in the streets on the block with the feds closing in , he aint just making up fantasies about killing his girlfriend and fighting Vanilla ice. If you understood what Jay was saying on his albums you would feel me or if you ever really lived through what hes saying you could feel me. I know people feel Ems music but when a nigga is rappin that hustle shit and with skills and its authentic thats a whole other level of hip hop.
^ had to go back to read some of this convo, and igotta co-sign this shit to. i been sayin this since i was like 15.
Bad Brains > Jimy Hendrix
Because Eminem is white, well, Andre 3000 > Rakim
Wheres TYLER DA CREATORS FUCKKKIN POSTS AT?!!!!!
“the realest shit in rap” is cummin on Jay-Z, for real.
I respect Jay-Z hustle but he is not the greatest rapper of all-time, for me, in a list of favorite rappers, Jay-Z is my #20.
Marty mcfag is an idiot. Fat Joe isn’t strong enough to hold nas mic. Fuckin writing a novel worth of comments. Probably thinks ja rule is in pacs league. Write another 600 word comment defending your bullshit.
Also to the realest shit in rap comes from my voice box. Just cause your a broke ass nigger doesn’t mean all blacks are bum like you and bootleg shit. Eminem highest selling artist in rap for a reason. Killing everybody still and how old is he idiot. Age doesn’t mean shit.
You aint really saying nothing bitch…
Bout time Marty keeping it short and sweet. What I’m sayin is em and jay are equally as dope and people don’t want to read you ramble on. Stay off these sites because you don’t know shit about rap obviously. Go to justinbieber.com, there’s a site for you to comment faggot. Fat Joe = nas. What a tool.
who let the white boy comment on a hiphop site anyway lol. stick to country, your white lmao. your opinion isnt valid. and only white folks gotta refer to some homo shit. all of yall are closet faggots anyway.
You pulled out one name out of a group of names I spoke about and pinpointed one statement out of everything I said so clearly you read through it. On top of that you missed the whole point of why I mentioned those other artists. You the Jester not the king bitch.
eminem is the highest selling artist in rap because hes white. hes not even good. if it wasnt for dr. dre he still be at some trailer park getting his gfs fucked by NIGGAZ lol, and if he was black he’d just be on a tech nine status or sum shit. sumthing indie and emo.
@Marty McFly
You clearly didn’t pay attention to his verse on Renegade if you think he’s ‘just rhyming’. His verses where about how hip hop lyrics, himself in particular, get attacked for their content despite the fact that the ones criticizing have done the same exact things as he did (taking drugs for example) and the fact they’re using hip hop as a scapegoat for all that’s wrong with their kids.
So Jay was right ‘Do niggas listen to lyrics or just skim through it’. Because you clearly haven’t.
I said Em was rhyming about his life and rhyming syllables. So I clearly am saying that he was rapping about his situation at the time but im saying he focused more on rhyming words then Jay. Since you seem to think Em was saying so much then what was jay talking about in the song ? Em rhymed more syllables , yes but who had the most substance? And like a said before , you dont get a feature on your album hoping to out rhyme them because that brings down the purpose of having a feature.
SMH at MartyMcFly
Sometimes I respect your opinion, but I will not deny that you bag on Em TOO often and that you dick ride Jay a bit TOO much. And if you think all Em raps about is funny stuff, you were dropped on the head when you were a child. You obviously haven’t listened to Infinite, SSEP, MMLP, TES, Recovery, or any of his albums with deep and introspective content.
(Also, Eminem isn’t persay the greatest but he is definately ONE of the greatest.)
If you go back and read you would see my comments are responses to other comments. You talk about me dick riding Jay and then in the same breathe you praise Em like he is the g.o.a.t because of a verse or two. Plus you can tell by my comments that I know Ems music isnt all one of anything so what are trying to say because when half of you say something back to me , your just repeating something that ive already implied or straight up said. Em sold alot but sales aint everything because its more then ten rappers who have double the amount of his albums and have lyrical content that go way beyond Em.
Marty cry a fuckin river you little bitch. Face it you’re an idiot who doesn’t know shit about rap, that’s why people reply to your bullshit. EMINEM=G.O.A.T. Haha just like sayin it cause you’ll probably have a nervous breakdown and kill yourself. It’s funny cause I don’t even care about anything you wrote. I just think you sound like a faggot and wanted to get you goin. You were the easiest and weakest of the bunch ;) haha
Ok glad you had your fun kid now its your bedtime… NITE NITE
I don’t sleep mcfag, and I did enjoy it. Learn how to spell night idiot. Go comment on something else you little bitch. Hahahaha
Niggaz is mad deez days.
Lets remind ourselves of personal opinions ..
“Em has three classic albums. The only one you can really say is full of jokes is Slim Shady LP. The other two are for the most part filled with personal/serious material. Eminem’s greatest gift is that he can deliver serious content in a humorous manner. That’s one of the many reasons people consider him the greatest. If you don’t understand that, you are really missing the point and need to lighten up a little.
Jay has 4 great albums to me. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album and American Gangster. But the only one I would consider in the same league as any of Em’s classics is Reasonable Doubt.
and i didn’t say black album wasn’t a classic, it is. it has incredible production and flows. but the subject matter is not very deep. you’re kidding yourself if you think it is.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^yes, this sums up the Em vs Jay comparison for me