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Easy to answer.. Sales = YM Quality of Music = The Roc
G.O.O.D Money will. Haha. I need to see Roc Nation actually release Cole and Electronica’s albums.
G.O.O.D Music will. Haha. I need to see Roc Nation actually release Cole and Electronica’s albums.
Thizz Nation ftw!!
Sale = Young Money
Albums ? idk….corry gunz and lil weezy and drake can go lyricall for 2011.
Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit!!!!!
This is a trick question right? Lets see Lil Wayne/Drake/Nicki vs. Jay Z/Kanye/J cole/Jay Electronica HMMMMMM what do you think the answer is?
Shake you should choke your fucking self for asking some dumb shit like this..
hmmm, Dedication IV or Act: II????
why did these faggots record themselves talking about this
who gives a shit
DA fuck u mean nigga??? GOOD MUSIC RUN THIS SHIT BITCH BETTER GET WIT IT OR GET LEFT BOi
it all matters on whats jay-z doing.
if jay-z makes a dope (real) jay-z album it’ll help roc nation.
young money’s boss (weezy) is still making music so there ahead jus with weezy.
SODMG! SOULJA! swag swag swag bow bow bow. SODMG > everything, they the best!
YM! carter 4 and drake gonna drop a album. carter 4 is going to be sick and generate millions in sales. so i’d go YMCMB
“Lil Kim hasn’t made a good record since her last face”….LMAO Statik is a fool for dat one
“good music run this bitch & aint never sprained a ligament” – bid sean boi
first comment said it best
The best artists on Young Money are barely above average. Let me make this easier to understand. Young Money = Knicks. Roc Nation = Lakers.
FUCK THE SUITS same squares who do the fuckin MTV and BET hottest Mc. They don’t know shit
@one what? seriously? did you just say that? what is wrong with you? improve yourself…
and the question is: Who will reign, Roc Nation or G.O.O.D. Music?
It all depends on Wayne. That nigga is a monster when it comes to sales/touring and is very smart in the moves he makes. Hov is too but a lot of his focus and money isn’t in his music anymore. And G.O.O.D. Music has Kanye who is head and shoulders above other rappers star-power wise but still not on Wayne and Jay’s level. If I had to bet I’d say YM has the biggest year. I’d love to see RN and GM have busy years too if they actually put some fucking albums out.
Dude said Miguel signed with Roc Nation. When did that happen?
btw, who the fuck are these ppl?
hopefully Kendrick Lamars meeting in NY this week has something to do with ROC NATION because that’ll be an unstoppable force if hes added.
I know Statik Selektah, but the rest…?
Kendrick wouldn’t fuck with Roc Nation, he’s too Compton for that. I can see Dre putting him on. He doesn’t have that mainstream ‘it’ factor anyways, even though he bodies damn near everybody musically.
The Illuminati will win, they always do. We wont even see a proper J.Cole or Jay Elect album on Roc Nation MARK MY WORDS.
As far as Yong Money goes.. “Too many Urkels on your team thats why your Wins-low..”
@eBagatron
go suck a young money dick lil wayne had 1 good selling album & that was c3 & he still doesnt have a CLASSIC AlBUM!!!! His best album will always be carter 1 & he didnt even write that shit gillie the kid wrote it fuck outta here talkin bout kanye aint on his level that nigga look up to kanye fool
If you rly love hip hop for what its worth, you know the answer has to be Roc Nation. Too many real ass lyrical mofuckas fuckin with G.O.O.D and Roc as a whole. Everyone know what Wayne got = fire
Drake u a fake ass lets all be real.
roc nation is ridiculously talented
If you really love and KNOW hip-hop, youd know Jay-Z has a HORRIBLE track record when it comes to artists under him. Willow Smith will have an album out before Cole or Electronica, which is sad but true.
@WTF why you mad? Truth hurts doesn’t it? Just cause you dickride Ye you think I’m stanning it for YM cause I’m a realist. I like Ye, but you don’t see him doin’ a milli in a week now do you? And if you think Wayne only has one album that sold well then you are even more stupid than your post would suggest, and that’s saying something. Wayne lookin’ up to Kanye, you a fool for that one. He got love and respect for dude, but don’t be actin’ like your opinion is fact, cause it’s not even an educated opinion to begin with.
^Cole seems to be getting the ‘ye treatment so we’ll see how that goes
@ebag was Wayne talking that abstract space shit before Kanye? No. Was Wayne wearing skinny jeans and vans before Kanye came out? No.
Niggas dont seem to realize that more than 90% of rappers out are KANYE’S SONS. The game was completely different before Ye came out. If you didnt know that or cant see it then youre a fuckin crumb.
^^^ true
he really has a bad ratio of successful artist to unsuccessful artists. he’s got maybe 2 or 3 ppl that he can say he actually had a hand in making them big: rihanna, willow (still too early to tell tho), and jeezy (somewhat). everyone else on def jam and rocafella either did it mostly themselves or owe it to others, ie: dame dash.
Drake came in hot and i think he just fizzled out. hes boring to me. Wayne might be done too. he needs to come hard and leave the singing rock and autotune shit behind.
Jay and Kanye got the Watch the Throne coming out so G.O.O.D. and Roc Nation both already got the head start. But i wanna see actual albums. Mixtapes are cool and all but albums then we’ll see whats up. Big Sean needs 1 and Cole. its between them if you ask me.
Kendrick Lamar is most likely going do shit through Strange Music now i think. Unless Dre steals him for 6 to 12 months and everything he does gets stashed in a vault and then he gets dropped from the label later.
Roc Nation is ridiculously talented. But let jay elec and Cole drop something first. You never know like someone said before me they could just be shelved for a while.
@TekZilla I’m sorry but I don’t see what you’re even trying to get at. I posted ON TOPIC of the actual fucking post and you lame kids start grasping at straws trying to prove some sort of point in your own heads. Skinny jeans? Vans? Fuck all that, we’re talking about music here folks. And people fail to realize Wayne been in the game a long fucking time and knows what he is doing as far as the business aspect goes, which is on topic of the actual video and why we all came to the post to begin with. While I’m a big fan of Kanye musically, he fucks himself over on the P.R. aspect and until he can get over himself, he won’t make that hurdle to the next level, plain and simple.
@ebagatron
looka here u bitch ass motherfucka to date carter 3 has sold 3.5 million records!!!! college dropout has sold 4 million copies worldwide! Late Registration sold 5 (860,000)the 1st week! Graduation has sold 2,166,000 & 808s sold over a million copies in the us these are facts & dont tryn prove me wrong cause i got my info straight from Wikipedia. i say that to say WHO GIVES A FUCK about selling a million records in 1 week birdman has raped lil gayne for all his money year after year money made from the c3 went straight to birdman 1st u dumbass now go look & see what his other albums sold & get bac @ me & btw who u think inspired rebirth the nigga said it himself when kanye made 808s that made him wanna do a rock album GO LEARN SOMETHING BOUT HIPHOP THEN TRYN SPEAK ON IT LIL BITCH I DO THIS SHIT
aww fuck sounds like ebag wants wayne to t-bag
WTF said do your research SON
DEAD at the rakim line
“these are facts & dont tryn prove me
wrong cause i got my info straight from
Wikipedia.”
WTF said this on November 29th, 2010
at 4:05 am
^^
FAIL if you think Wikipedia is a reliable source for anything
@eBag bro you just sound lame as fuck. Did you forget what you said? YOURE the one who brought up the fact that Wayne looking up to Kanye is a joke, which in itself is a joke. Wayne has NO business sense and HAS NEVER run a record label (its been baby & slim) since the cash money days. Thats evident by that circle of clowns he surrounds himself with that he refers to as a “movement”. Wayne BODIED himself with that “hey barbie” shit, how anyone is still riding for someone so overrated is beyond me.
Lol @ you kids tryin’ to start a pissing contest. Read my posts you fucking idiot, I’m a fan of Ye, GM and RN. I was just at a J.Cole show on Friday. I came in and posted on the topic and y’all get your panties in a bunch. You can hate all you want, I’m the last person on earth to give two shits about your internet tough guy act. Just watch next year, when Wayne outsells everyone again haha. And fyi, I bought mbdtf, 808s, late reg, etc… You bitches just passive aggressive in real life and play the background in real life, so you hop online and try to puff your chests out. Shit is comedy to me, eagerly awaiting your next post(s).
Lol @ Wayne having no business sense yet Young Money became the biggest and most successful group last year (while accumulating the most haters apparently). Yeah, he mush have no clue what he’s doing.
Come on nigga at some point wayne gon want his dick back…
Yeah and you actually think Wayne is the one behind all that, man gtfoh with your bullshit opinions. As i head before thats SLIM & BIRDMANS company. The fact that they made Lil Wayne “president” is purely for aesthetics and he handles NONE of the business aspect. Do your homework before you try to sound like you know shit.
#ripcharleshamilton…….so tragic his talent was waisted
#cmonson lil wayne isnt the over young money if u listen to his mixtape i think it was dedication 3 he clearly says he is not the owner of young money he couldnt handle the responsible of being one of the top rappers in the game & try & run a business @ the same time why u think he was debating signing with jay-z a couple years ago? ebag = epicfail
You gotta realize, YOUNG MONEY WASNT COMING OUT WITH SHIT WHEN WAYNE WAS IN JAIL.. Dude gets out and then all of a sudden them whack ass actors got a flow.. C’mon wake the fuck up and notice the ending of that whack shit. G.O.O.D. music / Roc Nation all day.
@TekZilla we ain’t talkin’ about Cash Money now are we? It’s Young Money, and that is Wayne’s label, product or movement or whatever you wanna call it. Ironic how you act like I’m the one with my shit mixed up, when in reality it’s you homie. I never once said anything about Wayne running CM. Nexxxtttt…
i will win in sells and good music if yall support LOL
#ripcharleshamilton…….so tragic his
talent was waisted
xb said this on November 29th, 2010 at
4:29 am
^^
What? He died??
Cause Its Going To Be A Very……………BIG NUT BUST :)
Wow.. just.. wow. Ebag how old are you? You think Wayne went and started Young Money by himself and runs it and handles all the business end? Your simple, bro. Do youre homework, read cmonson’s post up there, and a little google wouldnt hurt. Good night.
lil wayne sucks ass, YM is has no talent at all. kanye hasnt been good since he started jerkin it to himself a cpl years ago. roc nation is alright. theres plenty of better artists than that douche drake and all his faggot friends (r.a., del, LUPE…) money dont matter fuck illuminati..LASERS
Also, I think the whole BluRoc / DD172 crew has the potential to be up there with G.O.O.D and Roc Nation. Well see in 2011 i guess..
@TekZilla again, grasping at straws of shit i never said. You kids will go to no ends to try to prove a point. Did I say he runs the behind the scenes shit? No. Do ANY of the artists in this debate run it to that extent? Of course not, there is suits for that shit. “Approvin’ million dollar deals from my iPhone” ..does he work up those deals? No. Do those deals need his approval? Yes. He has that say, he is the boss. Quit tryin’ to front like I’m naive about that shit cause I never once said any of that. You just went off on that shit in hopes of having a valid argument, which you don’t. Bring something to my table with a good point that is RELEVANT to my posts before you started your period. Otherwise.. “The bullshit they talkin’ doesn’t come to my knees / I’m like a linebacker, don’t run it by me.”
SOGMG ANYBODY!?!?! ANYBODY!?!?! Soulja boy bout to put out hit after hit!
RADDA RADDA RADDA
Roc Nation is officially dope right now. Electronica + Cole + Jigga –> Lyrically (2) dope
Young Money has Drake weezy and Nicki. They have a lot of success but when it comes to the skills they loose
Why does it have to be Roc Nation vs Young Money its enough bread out there for both to eat
Roc Nation all day. Jay knows exactly what he’s doing.
Ayo! Don’t sleep on gunz! And as for Roc Nation, if they have commercial success with those super lyrical artist, then they can set the standard for a well balanced roster in the game. But right now Young Money has more albums released under the Y.M. imprint that was beyond successful. Tyga’s next with Careless World, then Wayne with C4. As for R.N. we have Jay’s BP3, Kanye’s MBDTF , Rhianna’s Loud, J. Coles Cole World coming up and ?
R.O.C. we runnin’ this rap shit.
“Underpayed or overrated?” I think money is the only thing on their mind.
haha Statik is a funny dude.
but yeah, G.O.O.D music ftw
skill/lyrics? anyone can take YM/CM
The Roc is bringing MCs and talent back to the game. And I like how they develop their artists.
They’re goin for more of a label than a crew though.
shaaaaadyyyyy/ aftermaath/ G UNIT!!!!
Eminem >> Jay Z and Weezy then,
Dr Dre and 50 cent all 3 of them right there will sell amazing next year. then, Slaugterhouse >> YM
G unit >> YM
50 Will sell more than Kanye and Jay aswell Rocye da 5’9 joel ortiz etc are better than anyone from YM or rocnation.
Good Music= Common, Kanye, Mos Def, Consequence, Kid Cudi, Pusha T, CyHi, Big Sean…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
G.O.O.D Music trumps all you suckas.
G.O.O.D Music =} Music !!
Young Money =} Money !!
ROC NATION HAS REAL TALENT
YM HAS GIMMICKS & FADS
ROC NATION > YM
GOOD MUSIC > YM & ROCNATION
ROC NATION >YM
GOOD MUSIC > ROC NATION
SHADY/AFTERMATH > GOOD MUSIC
JETS OVER EVERYTHING…lmao
Now I’m the biggest Drizzy stan out but I gotta say I think G.O.O.D. Music and Gabriel Stark bout to take over this game like Slim Charles took over the game from Marlo son.
lmao at these shady mentions fuk outta here 50 washed up..dre smh, and em…good music,rocnation>>>>>>>aftermath>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ym
SHADY/AFTERMATH BITCH…….KILL URSELF IF U THINK OTHERWISE
That’s a good question.. Roc Nation is Slowly building a impressive roster and Young Money is currently all ova music videos, featured on almost any and everybody’s songs.. I think that Young is gonna rule tha first half of 2011 and then Roc Nation is gonna make a surprise takeover with Electronica and J Cole
Yeah, did they forget about Kanye West & the GOOD Music fam?
If J.Cole drops an album he will Probably outsell a new Drake album, if it has a song for the radio…
Though if Weezy drop Carter 4, it will probably sell ALOT if it has quality music (not I Am Not A Human Being or Rebirth-typa shit). If that Jigga-Kanye shit will be released on Roc, that will sell alot as well, overall I Think Weezy gonna rule 2011 and J.Cole aswell.
Sales wize its between Young Money and GOOD… With Roc i dont know… Ideally, I guess GOOD<ROC<YM,… , so yeah. The 2 jays don't have enuf buzz yet IMO, hopefully Jay elec makes leaps in 2011.
GOOD>ROC>YM*
CLICK MY NAME N U WONT GIVE A FUCK RN VS YM….
YM HOE!!
WAYNE>>>>>>>>>>> JAY-Z & EMINEM
GUDDA GUDDA>>>> SLAUGHTER HOUSE AND JAY ELEC
DRAKE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.COLE
TYGA>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIG SEAN
CORY GUNZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
SHORT DAWG>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
G.O.O.D Music!!!!!!!
Did he say elect is more lyrical than Cole? I dissagree. I don’t care which camp dominates. As long as it brings me some good music. no pun intended.
G.O.O.D Music fool. but between these two its definetly bout to be the nation.
YOUNG MONEY WAS ALREADY 2009-2010 MVP’S AND ROOKIES OF THE YEAR
BACK TO BACK MVPS COMING RIGHT UP! HAHA FOOLS YM$$$$$$$$
you guys are fuckin stupid!! Roc Nation doesn’t have selling power minus Jay. thats what its about..Marketing and sales..YM sucks but they’re everywhere! Good Music can Top it! G.O.O.D has the BEST ROSTER!! BY FAR..Roc Nation won’t do shit. YM is jus a Fad only wayne & Drake are aight..Nicki fuckin sucks the rest are garbage..ima go G.O.O.D!!! ALL DAY ERR DAY
G.O.O.D. Music will reign!
Or Shady/Aftermath if Detox is good and/or Slaughterhouse is signed to Shady.
GOOD Music
GOOD Music easily…
How they talking about roc vs ym and leave out G.O.O.D. Music
Look at the good music roster
Kanye West
John Legend
Big Sean
Kid Cudi
Pusha T
Common
Mos Def
Mr. Hudson
Cyhi Da Prynce
Consequence
I love J. Cole & Jay Electronica but i need to see their albums actually get released
Young Money….well drake is ok, wayne is eh, nicki is lame, tyga…he still rapping after coconut juice?? jae millz…who cares, cory gunz is only lyrical dude on the roster but he might be pushed aside for drake & nicki and the rest of the roster sucks
Shady, same with roc nation, i need to see that slaughterhouse album actually get released
If all the dope artists releases albums then 2011 will be a hella of a good year for hip hop
GOOD Music
Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit!!!!!
G.O.O.D. MUSIC !!! ROSEWOOD !!!
J.Cole & Jay Elec albums should be game changers.
YM will win on sales though.
Jay Electronica not finna sale unless he have a main stream top 10
i fucks wit it G.O.O.D. MUSIC !!! ROSEWOOD !!!
dipset bitch
FUCK YM, its G.O.O.D Music year bitch
When has a jigga decision ever gone gold?? – Asher Roth
niggas talkin shit like Jay-Z is the worst executive of all time. He got basically everyone that stayed with the Roc at least one album while he was president. Including Free and Beanie. The second Beanie gets out of jail he’s in the Roc Boys vid and on American Gangster. What were the best songs on Jeezy and Ross’ first albums? The Jay-Z features. I think if Elec doesn’t put out an album its because he doesn’t want to, not because Jay-Z didnt let him.
Talent: Roc > GOOD >>>>> YM
Sales: YM > GOOD > Roc (unless watch the throne comes out on Roc)
IT’S THE ROC!!!!!
Only one onm Young Money worth fucking with is Cory Gunz, lets hope he’ doesn do that watered down bullshit.
The real competition is Roc Nation Vs G.O.O.D Music.
Eminem Is A Good Rapper But Performance Wise He Suck….!
Eminem Lip Syncs….. And Raps Over His Lyrics Just Like Nicki Does….!
Drake > J.Cole……. J.Cole Wheres The Album At Player ?
Jay Electronica Is Not A Main Stream Artist So He Will Not Sell..!
YM > Good Music > Roc Nation > Shady > G Unit
Ym = Lil’ Wayne , Drake , Nicki , Tyga , Cory Gunz
Good Music = Kayne , Big Sean , Kid Cudi , Pusha T
Roc = Jay , J.cole , Jay E, And Lil’kim…..SMH
Shady = Eminem …..And That Is All…
G- Unit = 50, Lloyd …….. Tony Yayo?????????????? Ha !
YM
G-G-G-G-Unit.. G-G-G-G-Unit…we dont play that we dont play that g-unit we dont play around…….eminem beats all 5 them with lil help from 50,banks and legendary name dre…u youngins cant do shit to history
T.I. – No Mercy 2010-H3X
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Sales: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
Talent: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
Young Money will dominate sales with or without Weezy (look at Nicki). You cant say there not talented…I mean Drake, Nicki Tyga, and Cory Gunz can all spit. All those other Ym artists (gudda, jae millz, lil chuckee) can jump off a bridge. And the fascination with J. cole i will never understand. Dude wont sell neither will Jay electronica. All you older heads on this site need to fall back. YM taking over
@kapono your trying to say J. Cole wont sell smdh…the anticipation just for his mixtape was crazy, dude pulled in almost 2000 comments just on this site. Drake vs J cole is debatable but are you trying to say Nicki or tyga over J cole and jay elec. Homie revaluate what you said because it made no sense.
GOOD Music>>>>Roc Nation>>>>>Young Money
this can’t be serious question.
roc nation = g.o.o.d. music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> young money
young money? roc nation? nigga please, GOOD Music got this shit on lock
@kapono
Sales: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
Talent: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
the first one i can see that happening….
The 2nd one tho….LAUGHABLE!
U really think drake, nicki, tyga and cory gunz are really seeing j.cole, jay elect, mos def, consequence, common, pusha t lyrically?? if u really believe that then i have to really question u on your knowledge of lyricism
Fuck YM (aside from Cory Gunz and Drake). Roc Nation and GOOD Music will kill it next year and I hope Shady starts putting out more music too.
who outta young money or roc nation can compare to common, kanye or mos def? (hov being an exception coz hes the GOAT….)
For you dumbasses you cant comprehend im gonna break it down for you
Lil Wayne>>>Jay-Z>>>Kanye West>>>Drake>>>J. Cole>>>Tyga>>>Nicki>>>>Everyone else
@kapono
Sales: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
Talent: Young Money>>>>Roc Nation>>>>Good Music
the 1st one i can believe
BUT the 2nd one….LOL LAUGHABLE!
U really think drake, nicki, tyga and cory gunz are seeing jcole, jay elect (roc) mos def, common, pusha t, consequence (good music) on a lyrical level?? then i seriously question your ears for lyricism
damn i entered the same comment twice!
For you dumbasses you cant comprehend im gonna break it down for you
Lil Wayne>>>Jay-Z>>>Kanye West>>>Drake>>>J. Cole>>>Tyga>>>Nicki>>>>Everyone else
not only has wayne not sold nearly as many albums as jay-z (not talking first week i mean all albums released together) but wayne cannot outrap jay-z in any way shape or form. Lil wayne aint even better than kanye, kanye beats him on making more quality stuff & lyrics too so i dont get how u could even come to the conclusion in which u did
But anyways fuck whats coming out of young money im sick of those mofos only artists i look forward to are jay elect, mos def, consequence, pusha t, common and maybe cyhi
COMMERCIAL APPEAL IS THE BIGGEST THING IN SUCCESS… YOUNG MONEY AND GOOD MUSIC GOT MOST OF IT
@zoomzoon
YM HOE!!
WAYNE>>>>>>>>>>> JAY-Z & EMINEM
GUDDA GUDDA>>>> SLAUGHTER HOUSE AND JAY ELEC
i would laugh at your comment……..but i think your actually serious
YM HOE!!
WAYNE>>>>>>>>>>> JAY-Z & EMINEM
GUDDA GUDDA>>>> SLAUGHTER HOUSE AND JAY ELEC
TYGA>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIG SEAN
CORY GUNZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
SHORT DAWG>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
U got to be a young ass teenager to believe those simple ass niggas to be better than anyone let alone jay elect & slaughterhouse
THE G-DOUBLE O-D RUNS THIS HIP-HOP SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AINT NOBODY FUCKIN WITH G.O.O.D. MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sales = young money but talent wise = roc nation
I prefer talent more….sorry if u disagree
GOOD MUSIC > Roc nation >>>>>>> Young Money
uh…… try GOOD.
the other two dont even compare?
Wouldnt Talent correspond to Sales, Then all of you agree that YM selling the most explains why there the most talented.
statik is the man
roc nation all day
i dont know whos gonna win, but i think @WTF needs to shut his ass up, sounds like he wants a g.o.o.d dick in the ass imo
ok but when wayne went away his weed carriers (Gudda & Mack Maine) and his surrogate children (Chuckee & Twist) couldn’t be found except on Twitter…and even then they were talking about “When Wayne gets out…”….Roc Nation artists have to stand on their own from the beginning so FUCK YM
Lyrically and musically ROC Nation is way better than YM, but YM will prolly sell more albums, but at the end of the day sales dont matter to a true fan the quality of the music is what counts. But i believe the strongest labels are:
ROC Nation
Duck Down
G.O.O.D Music
Roc Nation is WAY more talented, but when it comes to sales who buys albums? Younger kids, particularly lil white girls, and their parents. Roc Nation will have the better projects but YM MIGHT outsell them.
Wouldnt Talent correspond to Sales, Then all of you agree that YM selling the most explains why there the most talented
^^^^^^
@kapono ummm…does the word MARKETING mean anything to u? Thats ONE big reason they sell like crazy with a machine that can spend & Promote your ass to death yeah of course.
plus u wanna argue that These guys (soulja boy, waka flocka, d4l, vanilla ice) have talent even though they sell/ or have sold a good amount of units?
Their’s other things u have to consider, the image, gimmick & mainstream accepted subject matter (nothing highly lyrical or political) is a winning formula to win over the mainstream crowd and crossover (which ym has more than jay elect and jcole to some extent).
Sells, for the most part for a long time, has never proven how talented a artist truly is. The lesser talent will always be overrated by the mainstream while the more talented will be underrated.
as much as wale reps roc nation nobody care. hahahaha damn homie
ROC GOT THIS
Sells, for the most part for a long time, has never proven how talented a artist truly is. The lesser talent will always be overrated by the mainstream simply cause they’re more known than others, while the more talented will be underrated cause of how less known they are
Wayne is lame, Minaj is… well… a female emcee and Drake is the worst when it comes to rapping. He said “I love thick women cuz my aunt she rode equestrian” REALLY? Can someone make that line make sense for me?
A LOT OF GREAT POINTS BROUGHT UP IN THIS TOPIC
YOUNG MONEY WILL DOMINATE IN SELLS & PROLLY PUT OUT A GAZZILION MIXTAPES NOW THAT WAYNE IS OUT!
ROC NATION I CAN’T REALLY PUT MY FINGER ON IT! BUT IM HOPING J. COLE GET’S LOVE IN 2011 HE DESERVES IT! SO DOES MR. ELECTRONICA! I KNOW WILLOW IS GONNA GET MORE SHINE & THE FIRST SHOT @ A ALBUM BEFORE THEM BUT I HOPE SHE DOESNT OVER SHADOW THEIR TALENT BECAUSE OF “THE MAINSTREAM APPEAL” OF WILLOW!
G.O.O.D. MUSIC I SEE A BRIGHT FUTURE NEXT YEAR I CAN NOT WAIT CYHI DA PRINCE, BIG SEAN, MORE CUDI, HOPEFULLY SOME COMMON & MOS IN THE MIX! ILL BE PATIENTLY WAITING!
OVERALL THO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A COMPETITION THING:
* SALES: YM
* MUSIC WISE: G.O.O.D. MUSIC “OR” IF JAY CAN GET COLE OUT & JAY ELECT OUT IN 2011; IT WOULD BE ROC NATION!
I AM HAPPY TO SAY IM ANTICIPATING ALL PROJECTS NEXT YEAR & HOPING FOR THE BEST!
I think the question would be more:
Roc Nation v. G.O.O.D. Music v. Young Money v. BluRoc/DD172
Quality/Lyrics = G.O.O.D > BluRoc & RocNation > YM
Sales = YM > RocNation > G.O.O.D. > BluRoc
No doubt will YM beat everyone sales, but that’s because the general public is just plain stupid and can’t tolerate words with more than 2 syllables. BluRoc is up there too, they making a name for themselves in all genres. They work very diverse & artsy. That appeals more to the underground crowd though…
Alright lemme break this shit down a little bit..
Drake had a freestyle. Prewritten freestyle might I add.. Fucked up while READING it, and then 2 weeks later they threw on a beat and mastered it and what do you know – another corny radio hit.
He’s no artist. Dude is barely an actor. IMO, who the fuck is Drake?
Then you got Nicki.. who was signed a long ass time ago. You never heard shit from her, and then NOW all of a sudden this bitch got flow? SIKE!
C’mon nigga open your fuckin eyes..
Waynes outta jail – she’s on some O.D. lyricissm. Waynes IN jail – this bitch talking about can I get that margarita on the rock rock salt salt rim rim rim man stfu. Bitch sounds like Busta Rhymes. Whoooo hah!
Wayne is the ghostwriter. Wayne is young money. Look at his twitter, or anything the motherfucker SAYS i am young money. Whats better than having a group, that can touch all age groups and genders? It’s a smart idea though, I’ll give em that.
You haven’t heard shit from Twist even WORTH talking about.. Tygas fell off.. Gudda Gudda Gudda never was on. Everyone slept on Cory Gunz, motherfucker been nasty from the start. Offical BX niggas. And now ya’ll wanna start dickriding gunz too. Other than that its downhill we all know it.
ROC never has nor will it ever flop. Think about that one for a minute.
A LOT OF PEOPLE BROUGHT UP GREAT VALID POINTS
BUT ITS SIMPLE:
SALES: YM
MUSIC WISE: ROC NATION/ G.O.O.D. MUSIC (EVEN THO THEY WERENT MENTIONED)
I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT I AM ANTICIPATING ALL ALBUMS FOR NEXT YEAR (ESPECIALLY J. COLE, CYHI DA PRINCE, BIG SEAN, & COREY GUNZ)
I AM ALSO HOPING JAY GETS J.COLE & JAY ELECT ALBUMS OUT & WELL MARKETED KNOWING WILLOW & HER MAINSTREAM APPEAL WILL OVERSHADOW THEM SOMEWHAT I STILL HOPE IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!
& I HOPE KANYE CAN GET IF NOT A ALBUM A COLLAB ALBUM WITH COMMON & MOS THAT WOULD BE PRETTY NICE FOR THE NEW YEAR (REAL G.O.O.D. & THROW JOHN LEGEND FOR THE SINGING? PSSH)!
ALL IN ALL I JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST NEXT YEAR FOR EACH LABEL!
jay elect alone will rap circles around young money. young money are a bunch of wack reject pop stars. roc nation has dope quality artists. G.O.O.D Music all dayy!!!!!
Jay-Z >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lil Wayne
J. Cole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drake
Jay Electronica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyga
Kanye West >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nicki Minaj
Common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jae Millz
Consequence >>>>>>>>>> Gudda Gudda
Kid Cudi >>>>>>>> Mack Maine
Big Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lil Twist
Pusha T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lil Chuckee
Mos Def >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short Dawg
Cyhi Da Prynce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cory Gunz
…….ok bye
look like ebag murdered that one
Shit only thing I can give Nicki is that Monster verse.. but Kanye wrote that shit so I guess I tip my hat to him. FACT.
yo this is an actually interesting debate but its also too early to kno… i think if u first look at GOOD music versus Roc nation next year on who is likely to drop… i believe if anyone is to drop from roc nation it would be late third to fourth quarter… Good music has artist that are more likely to drop… i think then the actual battle for the reign in sales would be between good music and young money… if drake drops just by his following he will go platinum again easy and so would weezy… i believe no one on the good music roster has the possibility of going gold next year besides big sean, mos def, common and john legend but that all depends on whether they choose to drop… the other artist are just not likely drop or will flop horribly (sorry pusha)… J. Cole will go platinum… he needs to just keep building the anticipation for it by making a feature friendly mixtape… that would give his name much exposure to those who just listen to certain artist… i also think that cole could be the most influential person to drake to make that classic that thank me later could have been… i could see their trip overseas together to make both artist much better if they develop a bond where they go to each other with their music for another artist input… drake fans will def benefit if that happens bc cole may bring him back to his little brother roots and we would hear something like comeback season II… i just dont see JAy elect droppin next year bc he just dont have material like that yet… i dont think he has a mixtape worth of music out yet and not having that exposure could hurt… the rest of roc nation wont drop next year bc they are still unknowns… Cory Gunz may be the most lyrically talented and have the most upside out of all artist not named Jay Z Wayne or KANYE but he has troubles with songwriting and making choruses but you can say the same thing about jay elect as well. i think if u were comparing in song making capabilities between roc nation and young money (Wayne = Jay),(Drake = jcole), (cory gunz = Jay elect), (nicki has no one of comparability at roc nation), (and the rest of young money has music which > the rest of roc nation not having music)… i have did my research and i would also like to say that the rest of young money > or = the rest of good music… i think it is extremely naive for someone to say which camp will dominate next year because too much can happen to cause change before then if u ask me this question after spring semester i will have a more educated answer… one last note i have to apologize for comparing Wayne with Jay and only bc Jay has went platinum with every LP he has put out… jay shits on kanye in sales but kanye shits on weezy in sales… but i can say that weezy shits on them in radio play… which may effect his sales bc what dumbass will pay for music that is constantly on the radio that gets played so much u dont even like the song anymore… i respect all sensible criticism for my opinion if u come with facts but any buffoonery is truly not appreciated… but as drake said think what u want but “check me and you will get checked”
yo this is an actually interesting debate but its also too early to kno… i think if u first look at GOOD music versus Roc nation next year on who is likely to drop… i believe if anyone is to drop from roc nation it would be late third to fourth quarter… Good music has artist that are more likely to drop… i think then the actual battle for the reign in sales would be between good music and young money… if drake drops just by his following he will go platinum again easy and so would weezy… i believe no one on the good music roster has the possibility of going gold next year besides big sean, mos def, common and john legend but that all depends on whether they choose to drop… the other artist are just not likely drop or will flop horribly (sorry pusha)… J. Cole will go platinum… he needs to just keep building the anticipation for it by making a feature friendly mixtape… that would give his name much exposure to those who just listen to certain artist… i also think that cole could be the most influential person to drake to make that classic that thank me later could have been… i could see their trip overseas together to make both artist much better if they develop a bond where they go to each other with their music for another artist input… drake fans will def benefit if that happens bc cole may bring him back to his little brother roots and we would hear something like comeback season II… i just dont see JAy elect droppin next year bc he just dont have material like that yet… i dont think he has a mixtape worth of music out yet and not having that exposure could hurt… the rest of roc nation wont drop next year bc they are still unknowns… Cory Gunz may be the most lyrically talented and have the most upside out of all artist not named Jay Z Wayne or KANYE but he has troubles with songwriting and making choruses but you can say the same thing about jay elect as well. i think if u were comparing in song making capabilities between roc nation and young money (Wayne = Jay),(Drake = jcole), (cory gunz = Jay elect), (nicki has no one of comparability at roc nation), (and the rest of young money has music which > the rest of roc nation not having music)… i have did my research and i would also like to say that the rest of young money > or = the rest of good music… i think it is extremely naive for someone to say which camp will dominate next year because too much can happen to cause change before then if u ask me this question after spring semester i will have a more educated answer… one last note i have to apologize for comparing Wayne with Jay and only bc Jay has went platinum with every LP he has put out… jay shits on kanye in sales but kanye shits on weezy in sales… but i can say that weezy shits on them in radio play… which may effect his sales bc what dumbass will pay for music that is constantly on the radio that gets played so much u dont even like the song anymore… i respect all sensible criticism for my opinion if u come with facts but any buffoonery is truly not appreciated… but as drake once said think what u want but “check me and you will get checked”
yo r there really this many dam wayne haters? shit is crazy ha…GOOD Music is sik, YM is sik, and Roc Nation is sik…lets stop hatin on ppl n jst hope all 3 of these labels produce albums in 11
speak for ya self mah fucka
Yeah how is G.O.O.D. music not in this discussion. I mean sales wise YM, but quality wise G.O.O.D. until the Roc gets some albums out.
Why are people catching feelings?? lmao its just the internet.. relax kids.
This really depends on how many Weezy Dickriders have loosened up from his dick. If his dickriders are still just as much of a fan as they were before they dont have chance in hell. Because Wayne has marketed himself as a rap God. And his fans wont let go of his dick. So if Roc Nation can create some shit that will make them think otherwise. They will take over, but thats tough because Ignorance always prevails over substance.
Not always. You gotta think if there are 10 people against that whack shit.. Theres millions
YM will still will still win on sales, whatever they end put out.
GOOD and the BluRoc crew will probably release the best music
I want to hear Jay’s album, not that interested in Cole’s even if it’ll probably be dope…but those might not be out for some time.
Roc Nation cuz they got Willow Smith!!!
WHIP YOUR HAIR BACK N’ FORTH!!!
is this a joke? Roc Nation clearly
On the sales tip. Sales and popularity have nothing to do with talent, look at Illmatic. The record labels that support these mainstream artists buy half the albums anyway. Yall got to understand that the music industry is a business before anything else. The artists on the label are the businesses’s products so they are going to try to make you believe that these are the best artists out so you buy into them. The reason underground artists get no tv or radio time is not because they are less talented, its because the industry is not making money off of them. The idustry always makes you look at numbers because they can manipulate them and then turn around and tell you numberd dont lie. All you mainstream fans and all the mainstream artists are pupets. You might disagree now because of ignorance but the truth will come out when artists start realizing they can make money without a label and this is already happening, just look at Curren$y, Lloyd Banks, and Wiz.
Roc Nation will be better, Young Money will be more popular
How is this even a question? teenager that are stupid as fuck, white ppl, mainstream followers, retarded hoes & ppl barely listening to music will only listen to the bullshit by young money.
Roc Nation & G.O.O.D. Music over those unlyrical, overrated clowns.
G.O.O.D. Music actually to me boasts the biggest threat to Young Money, nobody on Roc Nation aside from Jigga has shown that they can make a commercially viable song and everything Young Money makes the mainstream will eat up. I think GOOD & YM is the real battle, although eliminating popularity and sales all 3 will be the top 3 crews for 2011.
Prediction:
1. YM – Weezy’s home so expect Carter IV, plus Drake’s 2nd album, Tyga’s growth into a threat as well as continued Nicki features puts them on top again. Also throw in a billion mixtapes from every signee.
2. GOOD Music – Signing Pusha was a Dream Team move, the lineup now boasts Yeezy, Pusha, Cudi, Common, Big Sean, CyHi, & Consequence all probably set to drop in ’11 at some point.
3. Roc Nation – Jay is the king, but Cole has yet to cross over to radio and Jay Elec doesn’t make the type of music that would translate into Billboard success. I’m not even sure anyone’s album will drop this year from RN.
^^^ If your just talking about sales and popularity i agree but if you are at all talking about talent you need to flip that list around. True music fans dont want artists like Jay Electronica to cross over to the mainstream where he will have people telling him how to make his music and who to appeal to. I dont get a cut of YM’s sales so i can care less about how much an album sells good music is good music whether it sells 1 copy or 5M.
Rocnation and G.o.o.D Music is like the same team , they all follow Jay z lead…Only person im lookin forward to is Jay electronica. The cats I just cant feel their music , ive tried but I just cant get into it. But next year should be interesting…
The OTHER CATS… on the labels , I mean
@SHUCREWNOVA Are You Crazy? Never Compare Drake To J. Cole. Cole Is Too Lyrical. Drake Is A Sell Out. J. Cole > Drake ANYDAY! & Cory Gunz = Jay Elect ! ? Are You Out Of Your Mind? Jay Elect Will Rap Circles Around Gunz With Absolute Ease! If This Is Based On Sales, YM Will Win Even Though I Hate Every Single One Of Them. If This Is Based On Lyricism, Roc Nation All Fuckkinn’ Day! If This Is Based On The Deepest Roster, I Would Have To Say G.O.O.D. Music.
Nothin against R.O.C. Nation got love for Jay and R.O.C. Nation BUT, they are not even close to bein as good as Young Money, YMCMB is so strong and it all starts with Wayne. I heard Wayne in a interview say he doesn’t teach his team any type of formula on how to rap, he shows dem how to be superstars that way they can be in any lane they want creativly. The Young Money Roster is way to deep R.O.C. really only has J.Cole and Electronica, Young Money has Gunz, Millz, Minaj, Drake, Lil Bad Ass Chuckee, Tyga, Short Dawg, and honestly I can’t hate anymore cause even Bow Wow has stepped up his game. It’s just to hard to touch but if anyone will eventually surpass Yong Money I think that will go to G.O.O.D. Music.
Um only one thing to say J. Cole fuckin broke the internet with a mixtape so evryone saying YM you so dumb ass hell GOOGLE IT BITCH
1. Shady Records
2. G.O.O.D Music
3. Young Money Cash Money Records
4. ROC Nation
5. Aftermath/G-unit
6. Rhymesayers Entertainment
if shouldn’t be used. Young Moneys been passed already..
I like Jay-Z, J. Cole, and Jay Electronica, but obviously I gotta check for Tyga, Wayne, and Drake.
I don’t see the ROC fucking with YM on the numbers.
young money sucks, GTFO =]
G.O.O.D. > ROC & YM
……………………
GOOD will beat YM and ROC will beat GOOD. Talent wise. then you got lames who only listen to wayne an YM clones of wayne. Drake is good tho
Young Money will sell to kids in fucking middle/high school. Cause it’s radio bullshit. If wayne drops something like the the carter 3 then they might have it in the bag. Just cause everyome sucks wayne’s dick. It’s sad.
GOOD music is just exactly what their name is… GOOD fucking music. Big Sean/Kanye West/Cyhi/Cudi/Mos Def/Common, etc they should def blow up. Kayne’s album everyone should’ve bought.
Roc Nation has raw talent in rapping if you ask me… J Cole is blowing up. That’s without a doubt. Unfortunately no one will know of Jay Elec cause he’s too underground and complex for some of you fucking idiots. Truth. And Jay-Z was fucking hungry on I’m So Appalled. So let’s see if he keeps up with that. If he does then that will definitely help.
In the end I’m seeing it as GOOD>YM>Roc
I honestly think GOOD music takes this. They are the real up comers…
fuck this mainstream bullshit. JET$
G.O.O.D. music is dope. Cudi blows though.
JETS ALL DAY
this is a tough argument and i still think its YM even though they do got some horrible rappers but wayne, drake, and nicki will do alot better than roc because everyones looking forward to the carter IV and everyone is waiting for the follow up to thank me later (take care) and nicki will attract all the 13 year old girls that are into that check it out bullshit. while roc is going to get a dope album from j cole in 2011, shit from HOV because he ain’t going to release another album that quick and jay electronica barely releases shit anyway so you got to go with YM BANGER. and tyga will drop another dope mixtape or two as well
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